Pajero in Spanish means Stallion, the supposed translation from the rumour is rubbish.
_____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 7:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car I couldn't agree more regarding the dominant factor in the towing combination. I had a trailer catastrophe not long ago and had I been driving a light weight vehicle I'd have been pulled all over the place by a trailer with one wheel. As it happened I had full control of the combination and was able to pull over safely. A lighter towing vehicle may well have been dragged into oncoming traffic! I drive a 2000 Pajero (is it true what that word means in spanish?) and couldn't be more satisfied with its performance. Grant H -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 8:08 am Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car My old 80 series landcruiser does a great job of towing anything. Its turbo diesel and uses about 13 l/100km I once drove with a commodore from Renmark to Benalla with both of us towing a glider trailer and stopped to fill every time the commodore did out of curiosity (Didnt need to - have 1000km range). It took 1-2 l less fuel each fill! Not really a controlled experiment because there were variations in the trailers etc, but at least it was not awful. Its also very roomy - has good ground clearance, is diesel so no problems driving in paddocks on retrieves and fits all the gear you need + kids and dogs. You can get second hand ones at government/telstra auctions for reasonable $$s. New ones are scary $$s. -Cath On 09/09/2007, at 11:16 PM, swk wrote: > Further to what Mike said. > The newer Holdens are not so good in the rear suspension area (from > personal > experience). > > I have a 1993 Magna wagon since new which I have used extensively. > It seems > to be a perfectly acceptable car for towing. Even though it only > has the > 2.6l 4 cyl it happily tows single seaters, and with care towed the > PAGC Twin > Astir. > _However_ dont buy a Magna, they are junk cars. This one is the most > unreliable piece of rubbish I have ever owned and I won't consider > buying a > Mitsubishi ever again! > > In 2004 I bought a Holden Wagon with the V6 3.8l engine. It was > considerably > more powerful than the Magna and I thought it would make a better > tow car, > but the first time I took my Boomerang out on the highway it scared > the > willies out of me. Almost uncontrollable once past about 90kph. > Admittedly, > the Boomerang trailer is a tad heavy for a single seater, but there > was > never any problem towing it with the Magna. > Other Holden owners noted a similar behaviour with their cars on > the larger > ASC club trailers too. > The use of torsion bars helped and I was able to get the Holden up > to 110ish > speeds, but really not too much more. Which is legal but a bit > marginal when > overtaking. (I don't have the Holden anymore). > > The Magna was an Ok towing car, but a heap of junk otherwise. The > Commodore > was a good car (the little I drove it) but a poor glider towing > vehicle. > Does this help? :-) > > Points to mention: > As others indicated, all else being equal, a heavier car is better > to stop > the trailer taking over. > A strong cross wind can turn a normally well behaved small towing > car into a > handful (the wind twists the trailer and compresses the trailer > springs > different amounts. The differing spring compression makes the axle > go a tiny > bit off square and the trailer swings, making the trailer twist > more...). I > remember a trip in a Toyota Corona (Corolla?) station wagon, where we > couldn't get above 80 kph. Next week on the same road with the same > car and > same trailer, no problems getting to the speed limit at all. > > > I have been thinking about a new tow vehicle and I am coming to the > conclusion that one of the Subaru wagons would be better than most, > but I > haven't towed with one, so can't say for sure. > > Regards > SWK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car > > > At 10:31 AM 8/09/2007, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We are new to Oz and are about to purchase a >> family car - which will need a tow bar suitable >> to tow a single seat glider trailer (glider yet to be purchased). >> >> Any recommendations for good tow vehicles and gotchas to be aware of? >> >> What weight does the car need to be able to tow >> all up for a single seater + trailer? >> >> What down force on the ball hitch should it be capable of taking? >> >> We don't necessarily want to buy a massive >> vehicle as it will for the most part be a family >> run around. We might purchase a large 4WD at >> later date to tow a caravan or other larger trailers. >> >> I have read with interest the looooong trailer >> debate so information from there does not need to be reprised. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Regards Richard >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > New, used? Price range? > > Depends on what glider trailer too. Most Aussie > built are way overbuilt and far too heavy. > > Commodore/Falcon have plenty of power but soft > rear suspension and tow ball is a long way aft of > the rear wheels. My 93 Commodore didn't tow as well as my 81 Mazda > 626 RWD. > Current 2000 Honda Accord is great with stiff and well located rear > end. > > Check out the max permissable towing weight of > the VW Golf. Glider pilots in VW design I think. > Golf TDI seems like a great car. > > Mike > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _____ Email and AIM finally together. 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