It appears that announcing yourself as a climate change sceptic is akin to confessing to being a pedophile
The whole problem with the climate change issue is that people are seeing an easy way to make money out of it. Carbon trading? What a joke... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 9:20 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine > > > Hi all, > > Mike, re climate change, give me a break, we have all heard the reality > deniers point of view but the bottom line is 99%+ of the worlds climate > scientists all agree that climate change is occurring. > > The evidence provided by the unprecedented opening of a North West passage > due to ice melting on a large scale in the arctic is undeniable, along with > many increase in the melting of ice. > > That silly "Great global warming swindle" documentary that most deniers rely > on has been so completely and thoroughly discredited that it's a running > joke. > > I have a web site for the flat earth society, where they make lots of ill > informed and distracting claims too but that doesn't make them right you > know. For every 1 scientist who denies there are 100 who believe-do the > maths, and face reality. Try driving around the SA country at the moment if > you need more evidence. > > Even our despicable federal government which is almost unparalleled at > reality denial and outright lying (and/or incompetence) in this area and > most other areas, believes now. > > Of course you and the fringe loonies could be right and the *real* experts > all wrong......... > > Regards > > Dave L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike > Borgelt > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 5:56 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine > > At 09:53 PM 24/09/2007, you wrote: > >Ah, climate change - the soaring pilot's friend! > > > >Any X/C in the midst of that height? > > > >MP. > > > > Ah! Climate change! Is there anything it it isn't responsible for? > > Better figure out if there is any first. > > See www.climateaudit.org (breakers of the infamous "hockey stick") > > Fairly technical. > > There are links there to other sites. > > Yes the climate changes. Lesson one at meteorology school was that 30 > year averages were taken at weather stations to define the climate > because it was well known that it changed on time scales longer than > that so any longer averages weren't meaningful. Nobody was blaming CO2. > > A few facts: > > Of the CO2 going in to atmosphere each year the human race is > responsible for under 4%. > > There's currently around 380 ppmv of CO2. It is increasing around 0.5 > to 1% of that per year.(It varies from year to year and seasonally - > hint - fossil fuel burning doesn't). Obviously there are lots of CO2 sinks. > > The temperature effect of increased CO2 is small - and as the effect > on temperature is logarithmic most of the temperature effect has > already occurred. > > The catatrophic warming predictions depend on increased temperature > causing increased water vapour which further increases the > temperature as H2O is also a greenhouse gas(not as good as CO2 but > there's usually lots more of it - 0 to 4% of the atmosphere). > Positive feedback. Any engineer will tell you that systems with > positive feedback are unstable and tend not to stay in one state for > long, usually crashing between extremes. > > I'll leave it as an exercise for you to find the evidence for this > positive feedback. I mean *evidence* not computer models. If you can > there's US$100,000 on offer at www.junkscience.com > > Is there human caused climate change? Almost certainly. Land use > changes are a very likely contributor. Changes albedo and lost of > other things when you remove vegetation and replace with bitumin, > concrete and buildings or clear trees for farmland. I got stuck with > explaining this to a bunch of environmental science students in a > lecture in 1977. > > The human race doesn't know nearly enough about planetary systems but > we have to be careful to use real science not political hysteria > promoted by scammers (Al Gore's in town BTW) > > Mike > > > > > > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
