At 10:07 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: >On 03/12/2007, at 7:51 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > As for climate change, check out this paper that uses the IPCC's own > > model simulation outputs and compares it to the measured data. > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_the_Study_of_Carbon_Dioxide_and_Global_Change > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute > > - mark
So what's your point , Mark? Did you bother to read the paper which uses the IPCC's own predictions and matches them against real world measurements? What exactly is wrong about that paper, Mark? The claimed IPCC model outputs are wrong? The Hadley Centre's radiosonde data are wrong? The Hadley Centre aren't exactly renowned AGW skeptics and the radiosonde data is a matter of public record. It would seem pointless to misrepresent the IPCC model outputs. So what is it? BTW the "sponsorships" you reference (a few $10,000 here and there) don't even begin to measure up against the billions being enthusiastically pushed by governments on scientists who will toe the party line. The contrived theories and data torturing that goes on has to be seen to be believed(or not). I searched for the "Center for Media and Democracy" who run sourcewatch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Media_and_Democracy Yeah, I know it's wikipedia but it's probably at least as reliable as sourcewatch. Appears to be a left wing propaganda/lobby group. But you could probably guess that from the name. You might like to look in to the backers of the realclimate website also. Check out Fenton Communications. If anybody is wondering what this has to do with soaring, just remember that this is a very fossil fuel intensive activity when you look in to it. Lots of fuel involved in simply getting to where it takes place let alone the launching and retrieving. The current carbon fiber shortage also owes a fair bit to it being used in wind turbine blades and the carbon and resins are all derived from fossil fuels. Towing glider trailers behind bubble cars isn't going to work all that well either and I wonder how long before "frivolous" activities like any form of private aviation are heavily circumscribed or banned, all in the name of CO2 emissions reductions. Some in the UK are calling for the rationing of air travel - and they are the Conservatives! By then we'll all have lots else to worry about as our economies collapse. All this climate change hysteria is about as sensible as burning witches. Our civilisation used to have enough of a grip on reality and belief in reason to be able to land men on the moon and send our eyes to the outer reaches of our solar system. I'm glad I lived through that, it seems unlikely to be repeated. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
