Perhaps some people should talk to the pilots involved in the competition that breached airspace before commenting on this.
I do admit, breach of airspace is a serious thing, but there are a few different reasons. Some breaches were avoidable, arising out of lack of navigation and/or pilot error, but some were not. I'd rather avoid explaining why on here, but perhaps talk to the pilots concerned (especially from day 3) before commenting. I think that after doing so, you would have a slightly different opinion of some of the breaches. Dion Baker. On 21/12/2007, Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan, > What a crock! > > Visual navigation = using visual navigation maps that have ground features > and airspace boundaries on them, look out the window apply the visual > navigation tolerances, remember these increase with altitude, and you will > never go anywhere near airspace you must remain clear of. > > Problem is there are a lot of pilots (of all disciplines) out there that > if > you took their GPS off them, turned them round 3 times they would be lost > > SDF > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan > Wilson > Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 5:11 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace > > Just a reminder to remember that one of the reasons for airspace > penetration is not knowing the reference point for the airspace. Many use > a > reference point out of ERSA [NAVAID, or ARP] several km from the radar > reference point. > > Oh and of course radii are generally in Nautical Miles, and most glider > pilots are in KM. > > So garbage in and garbage out may cost you many points. > > Even though you are probably in a corner of airspace that no one else can > aerodynamically get to, it is still agin the letter of legislation. > > Gliding was meant to be easy, then they invented GPS> > > SMFSLT > > Alan Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart & > Kerri FERGUSON > Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 3:31 PM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace > > Airspace Breaches and Competition Rules. > > In my opinion there is no excuse for breaching airspace if you're a > competition pilot, the only penalty for breaches should be > disqualification > from the event - No repeat offenders and it sends a clear message to the > remainder of the competitors. If a pilot has to enter C, D of even A > class > airspace due to stress of weather, declare a PAN and negotiate a > clearance, > how easy is that. > > There are a good number of people both at the GFA management level and at > club level negotiating access to airspace for all GFA members; if > competition directors are not seen to take breaches seriously this could > provide CASA and AsA with evidence that we as a groups do not take > airspace > seriously and withdrawal what we have already negotiated, and not > negotiate > again. Do you want to be responsible for that? > > SDF > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike > Borgelt > Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 8:28 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide airspace > > At 07:09 PM 20/12/2007, you wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >I can confirm that Joeyglide is being run in accordance with the > >Australian Nationals rules, and I apologise for any suggestion that > >it might not be. > > > >In my previous note, I was stating the default penalty. There is a > >provision in the rules for the Penalties Committee to apply a more > >lenient penalty in the non-competitive part of the flight, if the > >breach of airspace was not to the competitive advantage of the pilot > >and where there were extenuating circumstances. I cannot comment in > >detail on the reasons for their decision - I can only say that they > >have that option and obviously exercised it in this case. > > > Still absurd. > > What part of launching on a contest flight is non competitive? > > Extenuating circumstances? With GPS and moving maps? Supposedly > competent pilots? > > By allowing options the rule merely becomes a matter of someone's > opinion as does the contest result. > > Some penalty decisions might require this to be so. Airspace in the > GPS era isn't one of them and these circumstances should be minimised > to the greatest extent possible. It makes life > > unnecessarily difficult for contest organisers. > > I remember a contest where the CD was very happy at the end that I > won the last day by a large enough margin to win the contest and make > the protest by another competitor about the > > penalty imposed as a result of what he did on the first day (nothing > to do with me or anyone else), irrelevant. > > Mike > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 18/05/2007 > 3:50 PM > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 18/05/2007 > 3:50 PM > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -- <Nafoi> In our high school library, at the librarians desk there was a pair of scissors for students to use, to stop people from stealing them the genius had tied them to the leg of the desk with a piece of string.
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