For height gain badge and record flights this should not be a 
problem because the release height is recorded with "suction on". 
 For max start height that's a bit of an issue but I would have 
thought there would be a noticeable "step" during the ground roll, 
both on launch and landing, when the suction effect kicks in and then 
drops off again. Similar to "notching the barograph". With a 4 to 5 
second recording interval that should be quite visible - unless it's a 
winch launch (in which case the landing should still allow gauging the 
size of the effect). 
 
 Ulrich 
 
 On Sat 31/07/10 11:04 , Mike Borgelt [email protected] 
sent: 
  At 10:54 AM 31/07/2010, you wrote: 
 >Hi Mike 
 >These guys are doing really well at the Worlds so far, this could be 
the new 
 >glider to beat. 
 >According to the PDF document linked in your email they say that .. 
 > "The size and geometry of the extractor lower the pressure level 
inside the 
 >cockpit to ambient levels..." 
 >I read that as meaning the cockpit pressure is neither higher nor 
lower than 
 >the outside air, so probably no effect therefore on the accuracy of 
the 
 >flight recorder pressure altitude. 
 >ROSS 
 >_________________________________________________ 
 
 However if that is true it won't prevent air leaks out of the canopy  
 frame as the pressures there will definitely be lower than  
 ambient(static) pressure. 
 The article also says the vent"sucks air out of the cockpit" and  
 "depressurises" the cockpit so I think the article may just be poorly 
worded. 
 
 DG reckon the Mandl vent reduces the pressure considerably below  
 static pressure. Several (maybe 5)HectoPascals below static at 100  
 knots or so. One Hpa is about 27 feet. So you could be reading 135  
 feet high on your flight recorder pressure altitude. This could cost  
 you all points for a day. The pilot who lost all points at Benalla  
 about 18 months ago on one day had had a Mandl type vent installed  
 not long before. As it is installed under the fuselage near the  
 trailing edge of the wing the Mandl vent may not be as effective as  
 the new Jonker vent which may cause even more suction. 
 
 Mike 
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