Excuse what might appear a dumb question, but apart from the cost of installing & maintaining the instruments, what is the issue for gliding here?
I take it an extra battery would be required - so I guess this has to be factored into task planning - how many do we need to ensure the instrument has power for the duration....? Say I wanted to do a XC task and I expected to be flying for 3-4 hours - will I need 1 or more 12 volt battery? Does weight become an issue? What else is the concern here? Thanks! On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 7:16 PM, <[email protected] > wrote: > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ADSB in gliders and sport aviation (John Welsh) > 2. Re: ADSB in gliders and sport aviation (Mark Fisher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:02:39 +0800 > From: "John Welsh" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > PowerFLARM doesn't appear to provide ADSB Out only ADSB In. > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon > Hackett > Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 4:02 PM > To: Mal Bruce; AUS Soaring > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation > > > > Hello Mal (et al), > > > > That device already exists. Its called a "PowerFLARM": > > > > http://www.butterfly.aero/powerflarm/fly/ > > > > and/or > > > > http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/traffic-monitor.htm > > > > This looks like its just about to go into full production. > > > > Note that its quoted as being able to run for 8 hours on six AA batteries > (or from a glider battery, obviously, as an alternative). > > > > i.e. presumably the current draw isn't unreasonable. > > > > That doesn't magically solve the economic question, but it does suggest > that > the actual technology you require here (along with a Mode-S transponder, I > guess) is certainly available (or nearly so). > > > > I must say that I find the notion of a combination Flarm and ADS-B to be > highly appealing as a safety tool. Its eye-opening (literally) to see the > thing the ADS-B in my Cirrus picks up before I see them out of the window. > > > > Regards, > > Simon > > > > On 26/11/2010, at 6:00 PM, Mal Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > Could flarm and ADSB run on a single unit I recall having discussion with > Nigel about this how about your expert opinion? > > > > Personally I 100% support technology being used for collision avoidance the > cost of the units and current battery technology is minimal and the shared > cost per aircraft far out weighs the cost of one life. > > > > I am sure that negotiated properly some costs could be shared by GFA and > the > federal government CASA after all they want "safe sky's for all"! > > > > Mal > > > > > > > CASA Discussion Paper Response - Urgent Action Required > > > > > To: GFA Members, Gliding Clubs and Regional Gliding Associations > > > > Urgent Action Required > > > > See the response by > < > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT > EzMTk/index.html<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT%0AEzMTk/index.html>> > ASAC to CASA relating to > < > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT > EzMjA/index.html<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT%0AEzMjA/index.html>> > Discussion Paper 1006AS In a nutshell, it proposes to > mandate universal fitting of ADSB and Mode S to all aircraft for use in all > classifications of airspace. This is completely unacceptable to sport > aviation generally and gliding particularly. > > > > The GFA will be submitting a response which will express similar views to > those of ASAC. > > > > It is important that as many responses as possible are submitted expressing > concerns about the proposal and at the very least expressing strong support > for the ASAC submission. > > > > Submissions can be made easily by individuals and club representatives via > CASA website " > < > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT > EzMjE/index.html<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT%0AEzMjE/index.html>> > Response to Regulatory Change Proposal". > > Detailed individual responses would be preferred but a response which just > expresses dissatisfaction with CASA's consultation and then notes for each > item that changes would make it acceptable, with a final comment supporting > the ASAC paper will at least get the message across. > > > > It would greatly assist our position if each organisation can ensure a > response on their behalf before 30 November and encourage all individual > members to do the same. Apologies for the short notice. > > > > Phil McCann > > President > > <ATT00001..txt> > > > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3278 - Release Date: 11/25/10 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20101126/50bf5657/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:16:23 +1100 > From: Mark Fisher <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Guys, > Swift Avionics will be the Australian agent for PowerFlarm. > Will advertise when it's ready to sell. > Cheers > Mark > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:02 PM, John Welsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > PowerFLARM doesn?t appear to provide ADSB Out only ADSB In. > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Simon Hackett > > *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2010 4:02 PM > > *To:* Mal Bruce; AUS Soaring > > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation > > > > > > > > Hello Mal (et al), > > > > > > > > That device already exists. Its called a "PowerFLARM": > > > > > > > > http://www.butterfly.aero/powerflarm/fly/ > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/traffic-monitor.htm > > > > > > > > This looks like its just about to go into full production. > > > > > > > > Note that its quoted as being able to run for 8 hours on six AA batteries > > (or from a glider battery, obviously, as an alternative). > > > > > > > > i.e. presumably the current draw isn't unreasonable. > > > > > > > > That doesn't magically solve the economic question, but it does suggest > > that the actual technology you require here (along with a Mode-S > > transponder, I guess) is certainly available (or nearly so). > > > > > > > > I must say that I find the notion of a combination Flarm and ADS-B to be > > highly appealing as a safety tool. Its eye-opening (literally) to see the > > thing the ADS-B in my Cirrus picks up before I see them out of the > window. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > On 26/11/2010, at 6:00 PM, Mal Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Could flarm and ADSB run on a single unit I recall having discussion with > > Nigel about this how about your expert opinion? > > > > > > > > Personally I 100% support technology being used for collision avoidance > the > > cost of the units and current battery technology is minimal and the > shared > > cost per aircraft far out weighs the cost of one life. > > > > > > > > I am sure that negotiated properly some costs could be shared by GFA and > > the federal government CASA after all they want ?safe sky?s for all?! > > > > > > > > Mal > > > > > > > > > > > > *CASA Discussion Paper Response - Urgent Action Required* > > > > > > > > To: GFA Members, Gliding Clubs and Regional Gliding Associations > > > > > > > > *Urgent Action Required* > > > > > > > > See the response by *ASAC to CASA*< > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMTk/index.html>relating > to > > *Discussion Paper 1006AS*< > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMjA/index.html > > > > * * In a nutshell, it proposes to mandate universal fitting of ADSB and > > Mode S to all aircraft for use in all classifications of airspace. This > is > > completely unacceptable to sport aviation generally and gliding > > particularly. > > > > > > > > The GFA will be submitting a response which will express similar views to > > those of ASAC. > > > > > > > > It is important that as many responses as possible are submitted > expressing > > concerns about the proposal and at the very least expressing strong > support > > for the ASAC submission. > > > > > > > > Submissions can be made easily by individuals and club representatives > via > > CASA website *"**Response to Regulatory Change Proposal*< > http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNTEzMjE/index.html > > > > *"*. > > > > Detailed individual responses would be preferred but a response which > just > > expresses dissatisfaction with CASA's consultation and then notes for > each > > item that changes would make it acceptable, with a final comment > supporting > > the ASAC paper will at least get the message across. > > > > > > > > It would greatly assist our position if each organisation can ensure a > > response on their behalf before 30 November and encourage all individual > > members to do the same. Apologies for the short notice. > > > > > > > > Phil McCann > > > > President > > > > <ATT00001..txt> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3278 - Release Date: 11/25/10 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > -- > Mark Fisher > Managing Director > Swift Performance Equipment > PO Box 726, Lismore, NSW > Australia > Ph: +61 2 66221666 > Fax: +61 2 66221633 > www.spe.com.au > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20101126/b7e46f4b/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42 > ******************************************* > -- Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia
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