Hi Nelson,
Suggest you read this in detail: http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/CASA/ASAC_DP1001AS_Response.pdf Cheers, John Welsh From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelson Handcock Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 2:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42 Excuse what might appear a dumb question, but apart from the cost of installing & maintaining the instruments, what is the issue for gliding here? I take it an extra battery would be required - so I guess this has to be factored into task planning - how many do we need to ensure the instrument has power for the duration....? Say I wanted to do a XC task and I expected to be flying for 3-4 hours - will I need 1 or more 12 volt battery? Does weight become an issue? What else is the concern here? Thanks! 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Re: ADSB in gliders and sport aviation (Mark Fisher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:02:39 +0800 From: "John Welsh" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PowerFLARM doesn't appear to provide ADSB Out only ADSB In. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 4:02 PM To: Mal Bruce; AUS Soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation Hello Mal (et al), That device already exists. Its called a "PowerFLARM": http://www.butterfly.aero/powerflarm/fly/ and/or http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/traffic-monitor.htm This looks like its just about to go into full production. Note that its quoted as being able to run for 8 hours on six AA batteries (or from a glider battery, obviously, as an alternative). i.e. presumably the current draw isn't unreasonable. That doesn't magically solve the economic question, but it does suggest that the actual technology you require here (along with a Mode-S transponder, I guess) is certainly available (or nearly so). I must say that I find the notion of a combination Flarm and ADS-B to be highly appealing as a safety tool. Its eye-opening (literally) to see the thing the ADS-B in my Cirrus picks up before I see them out of the window. Regards, Simon On 26/11/2010, at 6:00 PM, Mal Bruce wrote: Could flarm and ADSB run on a single unit I recall having discussion with Nigel about this how about your expert opinion? Personally I 100% support technology being used for collision avoidance the cost of the units and current battery technology is minimal and the shared cost per aircraft far out weighs the cost of one life. I am sure that negotiated properly some costs could be shared by GFA and the federal government CASA after all they want "safe sky's for all"! Mal CASA Discussion Paper Response - Urgent Action Required To: GFA Members, Gliding Clubs and Regional Gliding Associations Urgent Action Required See the response by <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT %0AEzMTk/index.html> EzMTk/index.html> ASAC to CASA relating to <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT %0AEzMjA/index.html> EzMjA/index.html> Discussion Paper 1006AS In a nutshell, it proposes to mandate universal fitting of ADSB and Mode S to all aircraft for use in all classifications of airspace. This is completely unacceptable to sport aviation generally and gliding particularly. The GFA will be submitting a response which will express similar views to those of ASAC. It is important that as many responses as possible are submitted expressing concerns about the proposal and at the very least expressing strong support for the ASAC submission. Submissions can be made easily by individuals and club representatives via CASA website " <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT <http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpPTEzNT %0AEzMjE/index.html> EzMjE/index.html> Response to Regulatory Change Proposal". Detailed individual responses would be preferred but a response which just expresses dissatisfaction with CASA's consultation and then notes for each item that changes would make it acceptable, with a final comment supporting the ASAC paper will at least get the message across. It would greatly assist our position if each organisation can ensure a response on their behalf before 30 November and encourage all individual members to do the same. Apologies for the short notice. Phil McCann President <ATT00001..txt> _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3278 - Release Date: 11/25/10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20101 126/50bf5657/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:16:23 +1100 From: Mark Fisher <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Guys, Swift Avionics will be the Australian agent for PowerFlarm. Will advertise when it's ready to sell. Cheers Mark On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:02 PM, John Welsh <[email protected]> wrote: > PowerFLARM doesn?t appear to provide ADSB Out only ADSB In. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Simon Hackett > *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2010 4:02 PM > *To:* Mal Bruce; AUS Soaring > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] ADSB in gliders and sport aviation > > > > Hello Mal (et al), > > > > That device already exists. Its called a "PowerFLARM": > > > > http://www.butterfly.aero/powerflarm/fly/ > > > > and/or > > > > http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/traffic-monitor.htm > > > > This looks like its just about to go into full production. > > > > Note that its quoted as being able to run for 8 hours on six AA batteries > (or from a glider battery, obviously, as an alternative). > > > > i.e. presumably the current draw isn't unreasonable. > > > > That doesn't magically solve the economic question, but it does suggest > that the actual technology you require here (along with a Mode-S > transponder, I guess) is certainly available (or nearly so). > > > > I must say that I find the notion of a combination Flarm and ADS-B to be > highly appealing as a safety tool. Its eye-opening (literally) to see the > thing the ADS-B in my Cirrus picks up before I see them out of the window. > > > > Regards, > > Simon > > > > On 26/11/2010, at 6:00 PM, Mal Bruce wrote: > > > > > > Could flarm and ADSB run on a single unit I recall having discussion with > Nigel about this how about your expert opinion? > > > > Personally I 100% support technology being used for collision avoidance the > cost of the units and current battery technology is minimal and the shared > cost per aircraft far out weighs the cost of one life. > > > > I am sure that negotiated properly some costs could be shared by GFA and > the federal government CASA after all they want ?safe sky?s for all?! > > > > Mal > > > > > > *CASA Discussion Paper Response - Urgent Action Required* > > > > To: GFA Members, Gliding Clubs and Regional Gliding Associations > > > > *Urgent Action Required* > > > > See the response by *ASAC to CASA*<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5JmxpP TEzNTEzMTk/index.html>relating to > *Discussion Paper 1006AS*<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5Jmx pPTEzNTEzMjA/index.html> > * * In a nutshell, it proposes to mandate universal fitting of ADSB and > Mode S to all aircraft for use in all classifications of airspace. This is > completely unacceptable to sport aviation generally and gliding > particularly. > > > > The GFA will be submitting a response which will express similar views to > those of ASAC. > > > > It is important that as many responses as possible are submitted expressing > concerns about the proposal and at the very least expressing strong support > for the ASAC submission. > > > > Submissions can be made easily by individuals and club representatives via > CASA website *"**Response to Regulatory Change Proposal*<http://GFA.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0yOTU5MTQmcD0xJnU9NTAxNzk0NzQ5J mxpPTEzNTEzMjE/index.html> > *"*. > > Detailed individual responses would be preferred but a response which just > expresses dissatisfaction with CASA's consultation and then notes for each > item that changes would make it acceptable, with a final comment supporting > the ASAC paper will at least get the message across. > > > > It would greatly assist our position if each organisation can ensure a > response on their behalf before 30 November and encourage all individual > members to do the same. Apologies for the short notice. > > > > Phil McCann > > President > > <ATT00001..txt> > > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3278 - Release Date: 11/25/10 > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment PO Box 726, Lismore, NSW Australia Ph: +61 2 66221666 Fax: +61 2 66221633 www.spe.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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