Thanks John Orton, Derek Ruddock, Owen Jones and Matthew Scutter for the files.

I think I've got enough there now to show that the basic physics in my article on our website www.borgeltinstruments.com is correct.

For those who asked what I was trying to do - it was to verify the predictions from the physics of the atmosphere.

The flights done to the higher altitudes on hot days show exactly what is predicted. The warmer the atmosphere, the greater the percentage difference between GPS and Pressure Altitude with GPS >PA. In absolute terms the higher you go the greater the difference in feet and the warmer than ISA , the greater the difference in feet after correcting to the same on the ground. Wave flights done in likely colder conditions close to ISA show reasonable agreement between GPS and PA.

I didn't have the pressure calibrations for the loggers but they are unlikely to be all that far out in the 3000-3500 meter range (most are better than 2% in my calibration experience).

Interesting observation:

The older GPS receivers are definitely not as good for altitude with the exception of Garmin 25 module which is excellent as used in some 302s.That receiver only has the odd anomalous GPS altitude point which is trivial to remove in software in near real time. The ublox TIM-LP as used in later Colibris and Flarms (as far as I know all Flarms use this) is also good device. One recent type of FR uses a new GPS module which did show excellent performance most of the time but a worrying anomaly that persisted for some time near the end of one flight. This would not be possible to process and remove. It may also be a pressure sensor issue (brakes open, sideslip etc???).

That leaves us to explain what Tim Shirley found where he says that he's found PA>GPS alt on average.

Anybody got a flight done to 10,00 or so on a hot day with an EW Microrecorder? That unit uses a Sirfstar GPS module. You can see what pressure sensor and GPS are used by opening the igc file with a text editor. It is in the header on all recent approved FRs.

Mike

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