At world comps in Benalla Col Churches taxied ASC Pawnee back and I noticed as he parked flames were coming from RH wheel. I jumped out of my Pawnee with my BCF extinguisher and I ran up within 2 -3 meters and in 3 seconds the fire was out (it was now licking the wing as tyre deflated). Col was still in aircraft as he had no idea of what was happening.
Then the trouble set in trying to get it refilled - you must always say you are using the BCF to save a life as to save an aircraft is not good enough excuse. It took a week to get filled and I was not happy as nobody seemed they could loan me another extinguisher. Personally I fly no motorglider without a fire extinguisher - when you need one you may be amazed how far away it is.It is best to have a hose and stuff end with cotton wool so hornet will not build a nest. Ian McPhee On 10 January 2013 16:51, Jim Staniforth <[email protected]> wrote: > We reviewed this problem a few years ago. I put one of the Safecraft > fire suppression systems available from Aircraft Spruce in ASH26E #12. It's > documented in the ASH26E tech pages, which I think you need to subscribe > to. I no longer have a SLSP or the link so here are 2 photos. The system as > purchased at Aircraft Spruce needs to have a dip line put in the cylinder, > similar to an aerobatic airplane's fuel tank, to install the cylinder on > its side. > Similar systems were installed in Australia, Geoff Sim put one in the > rebuilt GSI (after a fire and much time in Poppenhausen). My installation > was in an EXP aircraft, but you'll find approval is easy. Who would want to > turn you down? > With current video technology it would be easy to have a camera in the > engine compartment so you could monitor a fire - until the camera melted - > on a PNA or perhaps flight computer. > I know John Viney liked the fire extinguisher modification. Thoughts, > Dennis? > Jim > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> > > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider engine fire > > Yes that's about what I've got planned for the jet. I've got a way of > using one bottle and directing the BCF to the appropriate engine. Under > construction. > > Yes there's a waiver for aviation on BCF but for how long I don't know. > You need to give the registration of the aircraft plus have a LAME sign > that he is responsible for the installation. > > If you value what you are putting out (not just what is around it) you'll > not use the dry powder extinguisher on it. Residue is highly corrosive > particularly to aluminium. > > There are moves to replace the Freon derivative that is used for engine > fire suppression in large jets with a less effective variety that requires > twice as much mass to work the same. (more fuel required) > > BCF works as good as about 5 to 10 times as much CO2 from what I've read. > Which was my point. Smaller people may have trouble carrying or using the > larger extinguishers. > > While it may have been a good idea to stop using Freon as a propellant in > spray cans (although the chemistry of freon causing ozone destruction has > been found to have large problems after somebody actually RAN AN > EXPERIMENT) banning it in fire extinguishers was maybe not such a great > idea. Likewise the new refrigerants aren't as effective as the old and > cause your fridge to use more electricity. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > After researching to topic BCF is by far the best At 12:21 PM 10/01/2013, > you wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:07:24PM +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > A small BCF extinguisher to flood the engine bay seems like a good > > idea. > > Here we go: 5 lb Halon extinguisher for aircraft, US$523 plus > shipping. Check for import documentation requirements on Halon > before buying. > > You'd typically mount it so that the bottle is in the cockpit, > and the bits that are on fire are at the other end of the > aluminium tubing. Mount the pull cable somewhere obvious where > it won't get yanked by accident. > > - mark > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > *Borgelt Instruments** *- *design & manufacture of quality soaring > instrumentation since 1978 > * www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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