How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class.
The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is poor task setting. This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance gliders to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish later. Where there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks should not be set. Regards Peter Sent from my HTC smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Matthew Scutter" <[email protected]> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[email protected]> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29 Ron, Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have different performance characteristics in different weather, which handicaps can't take into account. The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day. This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather the higher performance gliders have an advantage. Technical ways to 'solve' this have been postulated for years, different handicaps for different weather etc, all of which sounds to me like too much work. How we solve it now is grouping the gliders in relatively similar performance classes. If higher performance gliders have an advantage in stronger weather, it makes sense they should not be able to come 'down' a class and fly with lower performance gliders. Whether it should work the other way depends on whether you believe that lower performance gliders have an edge in weaker weather. Personally I think the lower performance gliders do have an edge in survival weather, but that is almost entirely negated because we get less weak weather than strong, and we don't set tasks in survival weather (how often is a day cancelled for being too strong? ;) ) I think the cause of this discussion is that while STD class is mostly populated with top-of-the-line STD class ships, 15M class is largely previous generation gliders - so many STD class pilots (particularly those in previous generation STD class gliders, myself included), feel we're flying closer to our 'effective' performance class in 15M. tldr; The system is a 'good enough' compromise. -matthew On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you missed the point . If the handicaps are so good what does it > matter whether the span in 100 metres or if it has flaps? > Ron > > > > On 07/03/2013, at 6:48, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ron, > It is because they have flaps, of course! > However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m > (Racing) Class. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Sanders > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring > > Dear Adam, > i agree with you!! > And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted > question " if the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped > gliders allowed in Standard class?" > > The priorities are not in the right order. > RS > > On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! >> >> >> WPP >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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