Looked into it, it's definitely a con job. Any one with neurological, cardio vascular or skeletal muscular problems still has to be approved by casa. The dame stated that anyone passing one will pass the other.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 114, Issue 73 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Timr for a revolt. (Bill Tugnett) 2. Re: Time for a revolt. (Mike Borgelt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:27:18 +1100 From: Bill Tugnett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Timr for a revolt. To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <CAOciLrd15j25RUaV8UC=o0x5fcvdhgp9urmebi_div+_44e...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Ted, if your main / only aim is to fly the tug, there is an alternate holding a class 2 medical - the Rec Pilots Licence for which CASA exemption (Ex 68/12) allows you to fly solo with certain restrictions. See http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100908 You are required to undergo a Drivers Licence Medical - Aviation (DLMA) examination by a GP. Once you have done this, copies of the paperwork are submitted to CASA electronically. (The Licencing bureaucrats are not involved!!) Good luck, Bill On 18 March 2013 19:45, Ted Gaida <[email protected]> wrote: > When our business went under over 20 years ago, finances precluded > flying and my medical expired. During this period I developed rheumatoid > arthritis, probably stress induced, but it had gone into remission with no > symptoms remaining. When renewing my licence I had simply forgotten about > it. Our then GP joined the group where the medical examiner works, casa > were told and made questionable demands. Demands including reports from > the rheumatologist I had last visited in the previous millennia and regular > blood tests. Any attempt by myself or our GP to put matters into > perspective met with the same form letter; no explanation or reason. They > did however accept a statement from the GP as to my flexibility but put me > on a 12 month cycle; subject to their review of the authorised medical > examiner?s decision. **** > > ** ** > > My last medical, October 2012 had been partly completed online when their > site locked up, so the examiner completed it using the printed form. A > couple of weeks later a letter arrived to state that although payment had > been received the documents from their examiner had not. No great issue, > this had happened before.**** > > ** ** > > When obtaining the required copies I was assured that they had first been > faxed then a hard copy sent. Somehow casa lost both.**** > > ** ** > > Some weeks later another letter from casa arrived demanding a series of > tests from a cardiologist even though there had been no change since the > previous medical. As the 2 month grace period was about to expire a > request for an extension was made, rejected, and our gliding club was down > a tow pilot at their Christmas camp. **** > > ** ** > > Some 3 weeks after the specialist visit nothing had been heard from casa > so a call was made enquiring as to the progress of my medical; response.. > Nothing has been received. Records showed that a number of pages had been > faxed to casa?s number on the stated date. Another copy was obtained and > sent. Although not stated, it was implied that preference was given to > those whose problems were real, not bureaucratic. **** > > ** ** > > I have now received another letter asking again for information which had > been included with the examining doctor?s initial report. Also demanded is > information which had been included with the cardiologist?s report and > another demand for a report from the rheumatologist. Up till then casa had > been satisfied with the blood tests and a report from our GP that > everything was normal. **** > > ** ** > > No consideration as to whether these reports are in anyway meaningful or > relevant, no consideration for the cost or inconvenience. **** > > ** ** > > When an organization sets the standards for those it deals with, the > expectation is that it would conform to a similar level itself. casa try > to project an aura of competence, expertise and authority. ?We are the > experts, we know what is best, how dare you question anything we do or ask > of you?. In reality they are a bunch of bumbling, self serving bureaucrats > as one doctor describes their medical licensing section.**** > > **** > > The authorised medical examiner cannot see any reason why I can?t fly, but > people who have never seen, let alone examined me are creating a job for > themselves by making ever more onerous and unjustifiable demands.**** > > ** ** > > There is a rumour that casa?s doctors are using us as a captive control > sample for research. Can anyone verify this? **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20130 319/a0d4665d/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:59:31 +1000 From: Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Time for a revolt. To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Good luck indeed with the driver's licence medical. Better make sure you are allowed to fly the tug on it first. It comes with significant restrictions. It also doesn't change the medical standards for a PPL in any significant way. The "driver's licence medical" appears to be one which is used for heavy transport not private cars. Your GP may want to look at his medical liability insurance before issuing one as it may not cover anything aviation related if he isn't a DAME. A real "driver's licence medical" would be like the RAAus where if you hold a car licence with no medical restrictions you can fly. This CASA one is a stupid CASA con job. A rational medical standard would be a car licence as above, you are required to tell any passengers before flight that if if you are incapacitated in the air they'd better be able to land the aircraft themselves. The risk you impose on innocent third parties due to medical incapacitation in a car is far, far greater than in a light aircraft. As for "In reality they are a bunch of bumbling, self serving bureaucrats " , you just described the public service. Mike At 05:27 AM 19/03/2013, you wrote: >Hi Ted, if your main / only aim is to fly the tug, there is an >alternate holding a class 2 medical - the Rec Pilots Licence for >which CASA exemption (Ex 68/12) allows you to fly solo with certain >restrictions. >See ><http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100908>http://w ww.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100908 >You are required to undergo a Drivers Licence Medical - Aviation >(DLMA) examination by a GP. >Once you have done this, copies of the paperwork are submitted to >CASA electronically. (The Licencing bureaucrats are not involved!!) >Good luck, Bill >On 18 March 2013 19:45, Ted Gaida ><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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