Thanks Casey, I suspect the heading on the page at http://www.gfa.org.au/GFA-Sport/records-australia.html is incorrect then - "Records flown in Australia". I remember at one stage both Australian and Australian overseas records were published. -matthew On 3 Feb 2014 21:59, "Casey Jay Lewis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> From the GFA website: > > "Flights by Australian Pilots in foreign countries will be recognised as > AUSTRALIAN RECORDS. Flights in Australia will stand as NATIONAL RECORDS." > > Reference: > https://docs.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/file/d/0B30o7SKxzo8nYWg3RXFCdFZVcHc/edit?pli=1 > > I'm hoping to use this myself for flights in PA, USA. > > Brgds, > > Casey > > On 3 Feb 2014, at 19:16 , [email protected]: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Astir CS 1000k (Matthew Scutter) > 2. Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9 (Casey Jay Lewis) > 3. Astir Altitude record & 1000K Flight 1964 (John O'Neill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:23:25 +1030 > From: Matthew Scutter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <calubygslb+fvzifl6pomnm8d9mupbrrsotkxf2up1hczqnb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > So, why is it an Australian record? Or do I have a fundamental > misunderstanding of what constitutes a record? > http://www.gfa.org.au/GFA-Sport/records-australia.html > On 3 Feb 2014 21:14, "Mike Borgelt" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It was on the ridge, Matthew. Some years earlier Karl Striedieck did a > world O/R record on that ridge .... in a K8. Check time zone for George's > flight. > > Gawler to up north to wherever and back in that moonscape up north should > break that record. I know several 1000 km O/R were flown in the late 80's > early 90's in I think mini Nimbus and Ventus A so a D2 or LS8 shouldn't be > a problem on the right day. > > At least one 1000km O/ and almost return wasn't bothered to be claimed. > The pilot did it for his own satisfaction. It was 1003 km and I know > because Carol and I did the retrieve. He didn't quite get home. I even took > my trailer as mine had better fittings and worked better than his. > > > Mike > > > > At 08:18 PM 3/02/2014, you wrote: > > I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return > record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir > wasn't impressive enough, in April?? > Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the > relevant AG mag. > Having done some googling I find an account ("Soaring the bald eagle > ridge") of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an > Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a > coincidence to me. > -matthew > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > *Borgelt Instruments* - > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/18514c9d/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:55:07 +0800 > From: Casey Jay Lewis <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Matthew, > > Another confirmation for George's flight being done on the ridges of > Pennsylvania. He broke four Australian records with that flight and earned > the 9th 1,000km in the USA, 17th in the world. It was flown from Karl > Striedcks Eagle Field as Ridge Soaring Gliderport is in a valley, receiving > the morning light a little later than Eagle Field at ridge top. His > preparation was meticulous and a lot of the early mapping of the ridges > (glider relevant mapping that is) was done by George: 'PGM'; Pre-Google > Maps. ;) > > If you'd like a copy of his account of the from Tom Knauff's book "Flying > the Bald Eagle Ridge" I can send it offline. > > Brgds, > > > Casey > > On 3 Feb 2014, at 18:39 , [email protected]: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Astir CS 1000k (Matthew Scutter) > 2. Re: Astir CS 1000k (Mike Borgelt) > 3. Re: Astir CS 1000k (John O'Neill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:48:28 +1030 > From: Matthew Scutter <[email protected]> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CALubygQ4Ysp2N=k-1ybmn18zhgogozc0oy13h5yrs5dxjbh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return > record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir > wasn't impressive enough, in April?? > Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant > AG mag. > Having done some googling I find an account ("Soaring the bald eagle > ridge") of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an > Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a > coincidence to me. > -matthew > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/5d595ff2/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:38:28 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > > It was on the ridge, Matthew. Some years earlier Karl Striedieck did > a world O/R record on that ridge .... in a K8. Check time zone for > George's flight. > > Gawler to up north to wherever and back in that moonscape up north > should break that record. I know several 1000 km O/R were flown in > the late 80's early 90's in I think mini Nimbus and Ventus A so a D2 > or LS8 shouldn't be a problem on the right day. > > At least one 1000km O/ and almost return wasn't bothered to be > claimed. The pilot did it for his own satisfaction. It was 1003 km > and I know because Carol and I did the retrieve. He didn't quite get > home. I even took my trailer as mine had better fittings and worked > better than his. > > > Mike > > > > At 08:18 PM 3/02/2014, you wrote: > > I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and > return record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As > if an Astir wasn't impressive enough, in April?? > Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the > relevant AG mag. > Having done some googling I find an account ("Soaring the bald eagle > ridge") of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in > an Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too > much of a coincidence to me. > -matthew > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring > instrumentation since 1978 > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/2f906d1a/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:39:30 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "John O'Neill" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <52EF71E2.00000A.04616@USER-PC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mathew, > > That is all correct, the flight took place along the Appenines in the USA. > We were pretty chuffed about the flight at the time as we had just bought > our Soth Gippsland Gliding Club's syndicates Astir CS the same month in > 1977 > There is an Astir CS hanging from the ceiling in the Smithsonian Aero & > Space museum just out side of Washington in the USA. > However I forget whether it is the same glider or another one that broke > the > altitude record > > John O'Neill > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Matthew Scutter > Date: 3/02/2014 9:19:26 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k > > I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return > record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir > wasn't impressive enough, in April?? > Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant > AG mag. > Having done some googling I find an account ("Soaring the bald eagle > ridge") > of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an Astir CS in > the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a coincidence to > me. > -matthew > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/352a3ede/attachment.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/gif > Size: 12626 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/352a3ede/attachment.gif > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/gif > Size: 20662 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/352a3ede/attachment-0001.gif > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9 > ******************************************* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:16:12 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "John O'Neill" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Astir Altitude record & 1000K Flight 1964 > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <52EF7A7C.000013.04616@USER-PC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The Astir hanging from the ceiling in the Smithsonian Aero Space Museum at > the Dulles Airfield, Washington is the Grob 102 Standard Astir that Robert > Harris > set a World altitude record of 49,009ft in wave of the Sierra Nevada > Mountains in Central California on February 17th 1986. > > Also among the other gliders in the museum is a Sisu 1A that Alvin H.Parker > set a world record 1042 Klms on July 31 1964 from Odessa, Texas. > > I guess the grandaddy of the the museum's gliders is the space shuttle on > exhibition. > > John O'Neill > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/1b4cc89a/attachment.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/gif > Size: 34603 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/1b4cc89a/attachment.gif > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 10 > ******************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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