Thanks Mike. I agree with a lot of what you say. Non profit clubs do try to pretend to be business. If you know of any for profit organisations still in existence please advise because I will refer all requests for "Joy Flights" there.
No I did not read your article at the link. I might do so now. Yes we are loosing membership. I do not think GFA leadership is to blame. They are responding to pressures imposed by CASA and in some cases have resisted vigorously. I refer to the proposal that our training glider ZEPHYRUS should not be used for training any longer. A clear win for then GFA and common sense. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Mike Borgelt < [email protected]> wrote: > No it isn't. > > GFA employs people, some clubs employ people, glider and equipment > manufacturers try to run at a profit and employ people. Some gliding > operations (even in Australia) are privately owned and run for profit. It > is a business with customers. Some of the businesses are > > disguised as non profit "clubs". > > Did you bother to read the article at the link? I see certain parallels to > gliding. > > The only power anyone has in gliding is to sufficiently piss people off so > they leave. Arriving at a contest having paid the entry fee, organising > time off (maybe buying or hiring a glider and having done the training and > practice to be able to fly at a contest - a huge investment) > > and having been given a set of rules which you are happy enough to live > buy, only to have them changed at briefing on the first day, seems to me to > be a good way of ensuring that some won't turn up next year. > > Unfortunately gliding in Australia has been VERY successful at getting > people to leave, hence the downsizing of the activity over the last 30 > years. Don't worry, there is more to come. The current GFA "leadership", to > use the term loosely, is bending over backwards to > > ensure that those of you who get their gliders maintained by the handful > of commercial workshops will find that this is more expensive and difficult > than in the past, if indeed it is still available to you. The GFA > leadership in the airworthiness area is particularly enthusiastic > > about this. > > Mike > > > > > > > At 06:02 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: > > Wrong analogy. > > Gliding is a volunteer sport. > > I am not trying to sell a product to anyone. I do not profit personally, > except some satisfaction if I introduce someone to Gliding and they enjoy > it sufficiently to stay on and take it up. That unfortunately is rare. > > I have no interest in helping anyone achieve their bucket list. They can > look for a commercial operator for that. > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mike Borgelt > <[email protected]> > wrote: > So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money > and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the > colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front > of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your > own if you don't like it? > > There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California > City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by > co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba > diving industry in the US. > > here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 > > There may be some lessons here. > > Mike > > > > > > > > At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: > > The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set > the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the > pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is > getting a volunteer to take on the job. > > First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. > > Yours > Peter Champness > > On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding <[email protected]> wrote: > > My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the > CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to > Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It > seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of > duress. > I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA > interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding > contests? > > > > From: [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington > Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Cc: 'GGC Members' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 > > Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots > required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider > for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club > glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international > standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local > Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract > 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 > devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club > (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). 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