Hi Terry,

Seems a long winded way of saying what the difference is - the atmosphere expands as the temperature increases. I think GPS with proper modern receivers and good antenna exposure is better than he thinks.

I'd say GPS altitude is rarely more than 50 feet out once the receiver has been running for more than 10 minutes or so and provided it has been set up for aviation dynamics. What works in a hang glider or para glider may not work all that well with sailplane flight dynamics. The better receivers either configure themselves or let the instrument manufacturer configure them for the intended use. GPS ain't just GPS.

It is correct that you must use pressure altitude for airspace compliance as the difference between pressure altitude and GPS altitude can be quite large, however as the glider only notices geometric altitude for final glides GPS altitude is better for this.

If you think you can even get the pressure altitude to within 50 feet of what it really is in a glider cockpit using an untested static source or cockpit static (or even the certified static on some gliders) plus unknown temperature offset and aging drifts on the altitude sensor,

you don't understand the problem. You should be using some form of total energy compensation on the altitude required for final glide otherwise it is hard to tell what is going on during pull ups and push overs. This can be done with modern GPS units as well as with p.a.

We did some issues with GPS altitude from some early flight recorders which heavily smoothed the GPS altitude. For this reason and others we incorporated the GPS in the system from the B500 on as we can then setup the GPS properly and interface it just once.

Mike


. At 12:58 PM 27/02/2014, you wrote:
Thanks Mike, it's amazing how serial com. devices still live on (not that I'm complaining - we still use them in some areas of amateur radio).

I followed the link you identified and found <http://www.xcmag.com/2011/07/gps-versus-barometric-altitude-the-definitive-answer/>this article from other links in that site.

Quite interesting also - at least I thought so 8-) .

regards
TN


On 27/02/2014 9:05 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Those wanting to use Android devices with serial inputs can buy an Androport from GliderTools www.glidertools.com

Two RS232 inputs to Android. I have been told it all works with a B500 and Flarm so should be no problem with any of our data output varios.

Saves messing around with building IOIO boards etc. In nice shielded box.

Mike








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