At 12:35 PM 23/05/2014, you wrote:
The newer generation Varios still use TE but have inertial sensing as an adjunct to TE to assist with gust filtering.

Regards,
John Orton
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The inertial versions do (ie. ones that don’t use a TE tube).
One other valuable feature I think is a good Artificial Horizon.

I agree though that I would rather use external device (I use XCSoar) for glide computer (final glide, navigation etc).

Scott



You don't need a TE tube to do a total energy vario based on pressure measurement but there are many problems introduced by this which is why most varios that offer this also can use a TE probe. The main problems are that you are taking the difference between two large signals and if they don't arrive at the vario at the same time you get large transient false indications. The other problem is that a pitot and static source on a glider are far more sensitive to yaw and pitch changes than is a good TE probe. You may as well just use the TE probe.

The so called "inertial" varios no doubt have the 3 axis accelerometer/gyros and magnetometer built in (same kind of thing as in your iPad and maybe even the same device, they are only a few dollars) but whether or not anything useful is done with them is another matter. They may be there for advertising purposes. I was advised to put them in the B600/B800 and advertise that but not do anything with the data. If you buy a vario with inertial sensors ask what exactly is done. It is a good bet that you will get some figurative arm waving and talk of "Kalman Filters" without an actual good explanation.

It is fairly easy to build a variometer (not TE compensated) using the inertial techniques but a total energy variometer is far more difficult. Or at least one that is a *good* vario with low zero point drift, like all modern pressure transducer varios. The MEMS (Micro Electro Mechanical Systems) accelerometers are pretty good but the gyros are fairly horrible. They look good when you sit them on the bench and integrate the output to get attitude (they measure *rate* of roll, pitch and yaw you need to integrate these to get attitude changes from the start attitude) but are terrible when moved around due to something called cross axis coupling and output noise (no, the noise doesn't average out to zero). Been there, done that.

Inertial measurement units that will work are still quite expensive, of the order of USD10,000 for the bare sensor and even then by the time you do all the reference frame transforms and put it in a dynamic flight vehicle (read glider) you'll probably find the error budget has got out of hand.

A human pilot filters out horizontal gusts by "seat of the pants" i.e. the vario is now showing lift but did I feel the vertical acceleration? The problem is that sometimes the onset of lift is very gentle and your push or pull on the stick can mask it easily. Sure it is simple to use an accelerometer to detect vertical acceleration but how do you remove the pilot inputs on the stick? Removing them is what total energy varios are about but by measuring the airspeed you make the vario respond very well to small rapid changes in airspeed caused by horizontal gusts as well as small rapid changes in vertical motion of the air. This makes the vario more difficult and tiring to interpret.

Anyway, our upcoming Dynamis system solves all these problems and can be added to B600 or B800 variometer systems.

Mike




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