I think there are two issues here.
There are people who may wish to travel OS and fly gliders solo for
their own pleasure. They will need some temporary or permanent
validation or recognition of their home country qualifications.
Then there are competitors in recognised, sanctioned, international
or national with invited guests, competitions. It speaks ill of the
European and other gliding bodies that the second category at least
cannot have an exemption from the regulations to compete in and
practise for such competitions when they will simply fly in a limited
area for a limited time essentially under contest rules and briefings.
Next time I see him I'll ask one of the guys at the local smallbore
rifle club who has just been to France and placed second in a
competition, what he had to do to be able to shoot in France (his
compatriot BTW placed first and he's 75)
Aviation sure has become a plaything for bureacrats. How ever did
Orville and Wilbur manage without all those people telling them what
to do? Or those guys on the Wasserkuppe in the early 1920s?
Mike
At 06:14 PM 1/09/2014, you wrote:
Alternatively if you want to fly in Europe, get a medical history
letter from your Gp and you can fly to the UK and see an AME there
and get a LAPL easa medical which is less stringent than a class 2.
A DAME here in Australia cannot issue this. With the LAPL medical
you can then fly a glider anywhere in Europe.
However you may need an easa license......LAPL.
This whole thing is a mess and there is no easy way round it,
particularly if you don't have/need a class 2 medical. I think that
CASA is trying to keep up with Easa but Easa is still in a state of
flux itself.
I contacted the UK CAA and Next time I go to the UK I will have to
do the above to fly a glider solo.
Jim Crowhurst
0414643900
---- Mike Borgelt wrote ----
Michael,
The Recreational Licence medical to which I think you refer is
actually a heavy vehicle driver's licence medical with some
additional CASA requirements. The actual medical standards are
EXACTLY the same as as a Class 2 medical. If you can honestly answer
the questions and come up to scratch in the medical exam you would
get a Class 2. The difference is that your GP, if he agrees, can do
the actual medical exam, not a DAME and you don't pay CASA to register it.
There are restrictions: single engine, day VFR, weight limits on the
aircraft and only one passenger.
The RAAus medical is a State Driver's licence for passenger cars
with no medical restrictions.
You tell me if any of this makes any sense.
I'm not sure if those commenting on the CASA Board appointments
realise the RAAA and RAAus are different organisations. The latter
is Recreational Aviation Australia (formerly the ultralight
federation) and the former is the Regional Aviation Association
Australia (basically regional airlines and charter).
Mike
At 04:31 PM 1/09/2014, you wrote:
If you fly over seas you need a medical. If you have no desire to
fly overseas, don't get a medical.
I think there may be instances of GA pilots, can't pass their
medical but the drivers licence bench mark allows them to fly/instruct.
Michael
On 1 Sep 2014, at 3:27 pm, Matt Gage
<<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
Simon,
just guessing, but I suspect that if this license was to be used
in Australia, it would require a class 2 medical. I suspect there
is a fear that having such a license valid in Australia would
result in it becoming compulsory and instantly grounding up to 1/2
our pilots. If there is any reasonable possibility of that, then
the current situation makes a lot of sense.
Matt
On 1 Sep 2014, at 15:08 , Simon Hackett
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have
just had confirmed separately.
The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to
fly a Glider in Australia.
SRSLY?
Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or
authorises) Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to
fly Australian Gliders with (including ... in Australia)?
I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA
member in good standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA)
if that floats the GFA's boat.
Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of
doing everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where
one can be a pilot licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly
a glider called a Glider Pilot License - and where such a thing
now exists but it doesn't actually work in the country of issue.
I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a
US pilots license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't
see that cramping the style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite
the opposite, actually.
I'm not really interested in how we got precisely here.
I'm interested in what possible reason the GFA would have, today,
to *not* to support the notion of a Glider Pilot License as
something routinely issued to Australians to let them fly gliders
in Australia - and for that to be the thing that people get
issued with routinely (when, for instance, they achieve Silver C standard).
Is there actually a valid reason for this state of affairs (as
opposed to 'thats just not how we roll, son...') why this isn't
the case - or why it shouldn't become the case?
In other words, if I have a CASA issued Glider Pilot License,
what, precisely, makes it unable to be sufficient to be permitted
to fly a glider here (assuming one has a valid and current flight review)?
I apologise for not having (yet) dug up the shiny new 1st
September-onward regulations that govern the Glider Pilot License
(and as already noted, CASA haven't yet actually published the
application form on their web site either). But do those legally
engaged regulations actually say that you can't use a Glider
Pilot License to... fly a glider with?
Coming at this cold, honestly, this reads like a Monty Python script :)
Regards,
Simon
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