Why would they do that when in most cases the impact will be a few percent?
Should they also increase prices if they release new ucode that makes things faster (which they do, on occasion) Scott On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Well the problem's fixable, so caveat emptor due diligence etc. the > consumer now knows they're buying a flawed CPU. The question is whether > Intel should drop their price point 30% to account for the diminished CPU. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On 14 January 2018 at 11:20, Michelle Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Paul Wilkins wrote: >> >>> Latest advice from Intel: >>> >>> https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTE >>> L-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr >>> >>> No mention of warranty :) >>> >>> News to me, defect applies also in AMD and ARM. >>> >>> Very interested to hear if anyone takes this to Dep't Fair Trading and >>> the response. >>> >>> >> What will be as interesting is the word on why they are still selling >> flawed processors.... especially as they have indicated there is no way to >> fix it with an update. Can you imagine selling a car that doesn't actually >> have working brakes and then saying, "not our problem it's working as >> designed"... >> >> Michelle >> >> Kind regards >>> >>> Paul Wilkins >>> >>> >>> On 8 January 2018 at 11:50, James Hodgkinson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, we have security appliances sold on performance figures >>> that’ll be checked and pointed at pretty firmly post patching. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018, at 09:57, Mark Newton wrote: >>> >>>> The phrase, “Of merchantable quality and fitness for purpose,” >>>> will become increasingly familiar to vendors over the next few >>>> weeks. >>>> >>>> Note that if you have relied on performance statements from a >>>> server vendor, and that performance can’t be delivered because >>>> the CPU can’t operate as advertised, both the CPU vendor /and the >>>> server vendor/ have an obligation to make good. >>>> >>>> Start on page 5: >>>> https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20refu >>>> nds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf >>>> <https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20ref >>>> unds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf> >>>> >>>> >>>> - mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:18 AM, Giles Pollock <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> From their warranty section: >>>>> >>>>> WHAT THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER: >>>>> • design defects or errors in the Product (Errata). Contact >>>>> Intel for information on characterized errata. >>>>> • any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the >>>>> Product, including costs of removal or replacement of the Product; >>>>> • damage to the Product, or errors or malfunctions in the >>>>> Product, due to accident, abnormal electrical, mechanical or >>>>> environmental conditions, use contrary to product instructions, >>>>> misuse, neglect, alteration, mishandling, repair, improper >>>>> installation or testing, combinations with incompatible products >>>>> or any third party virus, infection, worm or similar malicious >>>>> code; >>>>> • that the Product will protect against all possible security >>>>> threats, including intentional misconduct by third parties; >>>>> • any Product which has been modified or operated outside of >>>>> Intel’s publicly available specifications, including where clock >>>>> frequencies or voltages have been altered, or where the original >>>>> identification markings have been removed, altered or >>>>> obliterated. Intel assumes no responsibility that the Product, >>>>> including if used with altered clock frequencies or voltages, >>>>> will be fit for any particular purpose and will not cause any >>>>> damage or injury. >>>>> >>>>> Option 1 and 4 seems to have them covered :-( >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:07 AM, James Hodgkinson >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Watch them pull out the “this warranty doesn’t actually >>>>> cover anything, and we don’t say it’ll work in all >>>>> conditions” card. It’ll be nice to get a free CPU if they do >>>>> have to, however! :) >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, at 18:32, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If the hardware is under warranty, I'd be expecting the >>>>>> vendor to replace the CPU's with updated ones which are not >>>>>> affected? (oh man that's going to hurt Intel?) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 January 2018 at 16:31, Burt Mascareigne >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So, with this performance hit, does that mean we have >>>>>> to buy more Intel Servers to cope O_o >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Burt Mascareigne >>>>>> Mobile* 0414 450 962 *Office* (02) 9965 5422 >>>>>> *Address* Level 19, 1 O’Connell Street, Sydney NSW 2000 >>>>>> *Web* http://www.stormnetwork.com.au >>>>>> <http://www.stormnetwork.com.au/> <image002.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of >>>>>> *Paul Wilkins >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 4 January 2018 3:52 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] MS patches Intel memory >>>>>> management >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fix for security bug in Intel CPUs will be released >>>>>> patch Tuesday, and predictions are of a 5 - 30% >>>>>> performance hit. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a problem in cloud, but I'm sure it will all be >>>>>> good on the day :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> <http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Damien Gardner Jnr >>>>>> VK2TDG. 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