I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS onto Kerryn Phelps.
Kind regards Paul Wilkins On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> wrote: > The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review. > Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October > 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19 > October 2018. *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late > October or early November 2018.* > > > *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018 > <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>* > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose >> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given >> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making >> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design. >> Some very critical views are not to be heard from. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Paul Wilkins >> >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of October >>> (this Friday) has been released: >>> >>> >>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false >>> >>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following >>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day: >>> >>> * The Department of Home Affairs. >>> * The Law Council of Australia. This is an interesting one - it appears >>> (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission at all >>> (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their >>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64 >>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing). >>> * Optus "and others TBC". >>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of the >>> parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute the >>> submissions to the correct/complete groups). >>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that the >>> BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but Amazon's >>> isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions). >>> * TBC. >>> >>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's >>> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll >>> mention next): >>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true >>> >>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 minutes >>> allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and others >>> TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes, Amazon, >>> BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes, and then >>> the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time. >>> >>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of October >>> that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings starting on >>> the 19th of October. I expressed an interest in participating in the >>> public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation period >>> - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th, >>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be >>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have >>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra >>> on Friday). I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even >>> published yet. >>> >>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very >>> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I >>> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but >>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is >>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet >>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given >>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited). >>> >>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here. At >>> this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and breadth >>> of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome for >>> Australia. >>> >>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Robert, >>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman Andrew >>>> Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading conspirators in >>>> rolling Turnbull. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Paul Wilkins >>>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made >>>>> to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read >>>>> and considered this time around. >>>>> >>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope >>>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of >>>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to >>>>> let experts make the points there. I also made it clear to the PJCIS that >>>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a >>>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a >>>>>> message >>>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation >>>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain >>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home >>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get >>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record >>>>>> to >>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious >>>>>> unilateralism >>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and >>>>>> best >>>>>> interests. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA. It's also >>>>>>> published here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone >>>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the AFP >>>>>>>>> can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Paul, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> >>>
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