The following issue has been SUBMITTED. 
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https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1479 
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Reported By:                geoffclare
Assigned To:                
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Project:                    1003.1(2016/18)/Issue7+TC2
Issue ID:                   1479
Category:                   Shell and Utilities
Type:                       Clarification Requested
Severity:                   Objection
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     New
Name:                       Geoff Clare 
Organization:               The Open Group 
User Reference:              
Section:                    make 
Page Number:                2980 
Line Number:                98946 
Interp Status:              --- 
Final Accepted Text:         
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Date Submitted:             2021-05-28 09:14 UTC
Last Modified:              2021-05-28 09:14 UTC
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Summary:                    Not clear what "achieve results" means for make
defaults
Description: 
The description of the make utility says "The default rules for make shall
achieve results that are the same as if the following were used" and then
goes on to specify, among other things, default values for some macros.

It is not clear what is intended by "achieve results".  In particular if
these results include the output written to standard output by make when it
executes a shell command, then the only way to achieve the same results
would be for the defaults to be exactly those that are specified in the
standard.  However, just excluding that output would not fix the problem
because a command such as "echo $(CFLAGS) > outfile" would produce
different contents in outfile if CFLAGS does not have exactly the specified
default value.

A quick check of the Solaris and GNU make implementations reveals the
following differences from the defaults specified in the standard:

Both have ARFLAGS=rv  (instead of ARFLAGS=-rv)
Both have CC=cc (instead of CC=c99)
Both have CFLAGS= (empty instead of CFLAGS=-O 1)
GNU has SCCSGETFLAGS= (empty instead of SCCSGETFLAGS=-s)

The proposed change would allow the first three but not the GNU
SCCSGETFLAGS value, which hopefully the GNU make maintainer will not object
to changing.

Desired Action: 
Change:<blockquote>The default rules for <i>make</i> shall achieve results
that are the same as if the following were
used.</blockquote>to:<blockquote>The default rules and macro values for
<i>make</i> shall achieve results that are the same as if the following
were used, except that where a result includes the literal value of a
macro, this value may differ.</blockquote>

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Issue History 
Date Modified    Username       Field                    Change               
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2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     New Issue                                    
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Name                      => Geoff Clare     
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Organization              => The Open Group  
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Section                   => make            
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Page Number               => 2980            
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Line Number               => 98946           
2021-05-28 09:14 geoffclare     Interp Status             => ---             
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