Minutes of the 26th June 2023 Teleconference

[Andrew Josey via austin-group-l at The Open Group]

All
Enclosed are the minutes of the Monday meeting this week
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 26th June 2023 Teleconference    Austin-1322 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.         26th June 2023

Attendees:
    Don Cragun,  IEEE PASC OR
    Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR (partial)
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam
    Tom Thompson, IEEE
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.

Apologies
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR

* General news

The call on Monday July 10 will be a Webex meeting.

Geoff reported back on the WG14 meeting.  The decisions made on our latest
C23 ballot comments were as follows.

Bug 1022 (fputwc) accepted

Bug 1614 (mktime tm_year/tm_wday) accepted (with an extra change for timegm)

Bug 1647 (printf %lc) accepted option 1

We will circle back to these issues after the d3 issue resolution.


* Current Business

Note for issue resolution all items are tagged for Issue 8 unless
noted otherwise or disposition is reject or duplicate.


Bug 1703: Replace at-sign with <commercial-at>  Accepted
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1703


Bug 1704: Use simpler wording for '+' prefix character Accepted
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1704

Bug 1705: Use 'to [the] standard output' consistently Rejected
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1705

There is no ambiguity in the current wording. Making this change
would be a huge amount of work for almost no gain (and standard
output is just the tip of the iceberg).


Bug 1706: Remove 'line that does not begin with <tab>' from the syntax for a 
rule  Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1706

Delete line 104771.


Bug 1707: Clarify meaning of 'use' Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1707

On Page 3110 line 104786 Replace:
    If the makefile uses this special target
with:
    If the makefile contains this special target


Bug 1708: Use consistent wording for special targets Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1708

On page 3110 line 104799 replace
        shall also apply these rules to the additional targets.
with
        shall add to the list of phony targets.

Bug 1709: Specify handling of '#' in macro definitions Accepted as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1709

Delete lines 104882-104885.


Bug 1710: Evaluate delayed-expansion macros in '!=' macro definition Accepted 
as Marked
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1710

On page 3113 line 104928 change:
    Delayed-expansion macros after the <equals-sign> in a macro
    definition shall not be evaluated until the defined macro is
    used in a rule or command, or before the <equals-sign> in a
    macro definition.
to:
    Delayed-expansion macros after the <equals-sign> in macro
    definitions other than the :::=, !=, and += forms, and after
    the <equals-sign> in += form macro definitions where the macro
    named by string1 exists and is a delayed-expansion macro, shall
    not be evaluated until the defined macro is used in any of the
    following ways:

        in a rule or command

        before the <equals-sign> in a macro definition

        after the <equals-sign> in a :::= or != form macro definition

        after the <equals-sign> in a += form macro definition where
        the macro named by string1 exists and is an immediate-expansion
        macro.


We will continue with Issue 8 Draft 3 ballot resolution on the next call.
The next item is 

There is feedback on bug 1610.

Bug 1711: Reword 'as described above'
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1711



Next Steps
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The next call is on:
   Thu 2023-06-29 (general bugs/ballot resolution)

No calls on July 3rd or July 6th
   Mon 2023-07-10 (WEBEX meeting: general bugs/ballot resolution)

The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)

Apologies in Advance:
    Eric Blake: June 15 through July 6

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as 
below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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