Hi Med and Alice,

Thanks, yes I think Meds addition is an improvement.  Do I need to make
that change in the xml?

Alice, I will drop by Thursday morning to say hi!

~Tim

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 5:51 PM <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi Alice, Tim, all,
>
> I'm afraid that the new text may be conflicting when the following default
> is disabled:
>
>    LPD-6:   By default, the IPv6 CE router filtering rules MUST allow
>             forwarding of packets with an outer IPv6 header containing a
>             source address belonging to delegated prefixes, along with
>             reciprocal packets from the same flow, following the
>             recommendations of [RFC6092].
>
> Tim, I guess that you wanted to cover forwarding independent of the if. If
> that's what you have in mind, maybe it is better to consider the following:
>
> NEW:
>            Absent explicit filtering, packets with destination
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>            addresses in a delegated prefix MUST be forwarded to that
>                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
>            prefix regardless of which interface they are received on.
>
> Also fixed a nit as this is about forwarding, not routing.
>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org>
> > Envoyé : mardi 22 juillet 2025 17:23
> > À : Timothy Winters <t...@qacafe.com>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET
> > <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>
> > Cc : v6ops-...@ietf.org; v6ops-cha...@ietf.org; rbon...@juniper.net;
> > auth48archive <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>; RFC Editor <rfc-
> > edi...@rfc-editor.org>
> > Objet : [AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9818 <draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-lan-
> > pd-09> for your review
> >
> >
> > Tim, Med (as AD),
> >
> > ** Med, please review and let us know if you approve the following
> > sentence, which Tim added to LPD-5. (This addition is also shown in
> > the diff files below.)
> >
> >             Packets with destination
> >             addresses in a delegated prefix MUST be routed to that
> >             prefix regardless of which interface they are received
> > on.
> >
> > In context, it is:
> >
> >    LPD-5:   IPv6 CE routers MUST maintain a local routing table that
> > is
> >             dynamically updated with leases and the associated next
> > hops
> >             as they are delegated to clients.  Packets with
> > destination
> >             addresses in a delegated prefix MUST be routed to that
> >             prefix regardless of which interface they are received
> > on.
> >             When a delegated prefix is released or expires, the
> >             associated route MUST be removed from the IPv6 CE
> > router's
> >             routing table.  A delegated prefix expires when the
> > valid
> >             lifetime assigned in the IA_PD expires without being
> >             renewed.  When a prefix is released or expires, it MUST
> > be
> >             returned the pool of available prefixes.
> >
> > Tim,
> > Thank you for your reply and the updated XML file. One note is
> > below. The revised files are here (please refresh):
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> >
> > OLD: The default configuration of CE router is designed to be a
> >      flat model to support zero-configuration networking.
> >
> > NEW: The default configuration of CE routers is designed to be a
> >      flat model to support zero-configuration networking.
> >
> >
> > I'm here at IETF 123 at the RFC Editor desk (near registration) if
> > you want to come by and say hello. Will also be here Wed. afternoon
> > and Thur. morning.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > RFC Editor/ar
> >
> > > On Jul 22, 2025, at 10:51 AM, Timothy Winters <t...@qacafe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Alice,
> > >
> > > Here is the updated xml file, I responded to all the questions in
> > the xml.  Let me know if there are unresolved issues.
> > >
> > > ~Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 4:15 PM Timothy Winters <t...@qacafe.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Alice,
> > >
> > > Thanks I have started reviewing the changes and will have an
> > update this week.
> > >
> > > ~Tim
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 3:16 PM Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-
> > editor.org> wrote:
> > > Tim,
> > >
> > > This is a reminder that we await word from you regarding the
> > questions below and this document's readiness for publication as an
> > RFC. The files are here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > > On Jul 3, 2025, at 5:51 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > While reviewing this document during AUTH48
> > (https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
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> > resolve the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
> > > >
> > > > 1) <!-- [rfced] How may this title be rephrased for clarity?
> > > > Also, is "LAN" needed in this title? (Neither "LAN" nor "local"
> > is
> > > > mentioned in the abstract.) Do either of these options convey
> > the intended meaning?
> > > > Please feel free to suggest otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > > IPv6 CE Routers LAN DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation
> > > >
> > > > Current:
> > > > IPv6 Customer Edge (CE) Routers LAN DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation
> > > >
> > > > Option A:
> > > > DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation on IPv6 Customer Edge (CE) Routers in
> > LANs
> > > >
> > > > Option B:
> > > > DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation in LANs for IPv6 Customer Edge (CE)
> > Routers
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2) <!--[rfced] For clarity, how may this be rephrased? In
> > > > particular, the phrase "CE Router supporting prefix delegation"
> > is unclear.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  The default configuration of CE Router supporting  prefix
> > > > delegation is designed to be a flat model to support zero
> > > > configuration networking.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps:
> > > >  For prefix delegation that supports CE routers, the default
> > > > configuration is designed to be a flat model to support
> > > > zero-configuration networking.
> > > >
> > > > Or simply:
> > > >  For prefix delegation that supports CE routers, the default
> > > > configuration is a flat model to support zero-configuration
> > > > networking.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3) <!--[rfced] Please clarify "multi-provisioned networks". Is
> > there
> > > > another term that is more common? The term "multi-provisioned"
> > > > does not appear in past RFCs or current Internet-Drafts.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  This document does not cover dealing with multi-provisioned
> > > > networks  with more than one provider.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 4) <!--[rfced] Which update do you prefer, as this definition is
> > > > missing 'the', but perhaps you prefer to match the cited
> > document?
> > > >
> > > > Original:  IPv6 node: A device that implements IPv6 protocol.
> > > >
> > > > Option A:  IPv6 node: A device that implements IPv6.
> > > >  (to match RFC 8200, which is cited in the lead-in text)
> > > >
> > > > Option B:  IPv6 node: A device that implements the IPv6
> > protocol.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 5) <!-- [rfced] FYI, for expanding GUA, "Unique" has been
> > changed to
> > > > "Unicast" in order to match RFC 4291. Please review.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  *  GUA:Global Unique Addresses, as defined in [RFC4291].
> > > >
> > > > Current:
> > > >  GUA:  Global Unicast Address, as defined in [RFC4291].
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6) <!--[rfced] Please clarify; how should this fragment be
> > updated
> > > > to be a sentence?
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  The end-user network for IPv6 that is a stub network.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 7) <!--[rfced] Please review this update for accuracy; due to
> > "its",
> > > > the subject ("IPv6 CE routers") has been changed to singular. It
> > > > currently reads that a single router could have more than one
> > LAN interface.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  LPD-1:   IPv6 CE routers MUST support IPv6 prefix assignment
> > > >           according to Section 13.3 of [RFC8415] (Identity
> > Association
> > > >           for Prefix Delegation (IA_PD) option) on its LAN
> > > >           interface(s).
> > > >
> > > > Current:
> > > >  LPD-1:   Each IPv6 CE router MUST support IPv6 prefix
> > assignment
> > > >           according to Section 13.3 of [RFC8415] (Identity
> > Association
> > > >           for Prefix Delegation (IA_PD) option) on its LAN
> > > >           interface(s).
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively (both plural):
> > > >  LPD-1:   IPv6 CE routers MUST support IPv6 prefix assignment
> > > >           according to Section 13.3 of [RFC8415] (Identity
> > Association
> > > >           for Prefix Delegation (IA_PD) option) on their LAN
> > > >           interfaces.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 8) <!--[rfced] Because the second sentence is singular, should
> > the
> > > > first sentence be parallel?
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  LPD-2:   IPv6 CE routers MUST assign a prefix from the
> > delegated
> > > >           prefix as specified by L-2 in Section 4.3 of
> > [RFC7084].  If
> > > >           insufficient prefixes are available the IPv6 CE Router
> > MUST
> > > >           log a system management error.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps:
> > > >  LPD-2:   Each IPv6 CE router MUST assign a prefix from the
> > delegated
> > > >           prefix as specified by L-2 in Section 4.3 of
> > [RFC7084].  If
> > > >           insufficient prefixes are available, the IPv6 CE
> > router MUST
> > > >           log a system management error.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 9) <!--[rfced] Should "both ULA and GUA" be both "ULAs and
> > GUAs"? If
> > > > so, please review whether "the GUA" is accurate in the second
> > phrase.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  LPD-9:   If an IPv6 CE router is provisioning both ULA and GUA
> > via
> > > >           prefix delegation, the GUA SHOULD appear first in the
> > DHCPv6
> > > >           packets.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps:
> > > >  LPD-9:   If an IPv6 CE router is provisioning both ULAs and
> > GUAs via
> > > >           prefix delegation, the GUA SHOULD appear first in the
> > DHCPv6
> > > >           packets.
> > > >
> > > > Or (singular):
> > > >  LPD-9:   If an IPv6 CE router is provisioning both the ULA and
> > the GUA via
> > > >           prefix delegation, the GUA SHOULD appear first in the
> > DHCPv6
> > > >           packets.
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 10) <!--[rfced] Terminology
> > > >
> > > > a) This term appeared inconsistently and has been updated to the
> > latter.
> > > > Please let us know if you prefer otherwise.
> > > >
> > > >  CE Router vs. CE router   [based on usage in RFC 7084]
> > > >
> > > > b) Capitalization of these terms is not consistent. Please let
> > us
> > > > know your preference.
> > > >
> > > >  Prefix Delegation vs. prefix delegation
> > > >
> > > >  Delegated Prefix (in LPD-6) vs. delegated prefix (in LPD-2,
> > LPD-5)
> > > >
> > > > c) Please review usage of this term and let us know if any
> > updates are needed.
> > > > We note RFC 8415 uses the hyphen for the "prefix-length" field.
> > > >
> > > >  prefix-length (3 instances) vs. prefix length (2 instances)
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 11) <!-- [rfced] FYI, the original URL provided for [eRouter] is
> > to
> > > > the most recent version of this CableLabs specification, Version
> > > > I22, which was published in May 2024, so we updated the
> > reference as follows.
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > >  [eRouter]  CableLabs, "IPv4 and IPv6 eRouter Specification
> > Version
> > > >             I21", February 2022,
> > > >
> > <https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > ww.cablelabs.com%2Fspecifications%2FCM-SP-
> > eRouter&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Cdf4acf16205f
> > 4e496afa08ddc933a2a7%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63
> > 8887945782163947%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlY
> > iOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C
> > 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XaNipH6wM%2FsVGIZg0UZLCyeameGXXKgnaB5HVxiBMyM%3D&re
> > served=0>.
> > > >
> > > > Current:
> > > >  [eRouter]  CableLabs, "IPv4 and IPv6 eRouter Specification",
> > Data-
> > > >             Over-Cable Service Interface Specifications, Version
> > I22,
> > > >             May 2024,
> > > >
> > <https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > ww.cablelabs.com%2Fspecifications%2FCM-SP-
> > eRouter&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Cdf4acf16205f
> > 4e496afa08ddc933a2a7%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C63
> > 8887945782185062%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlY
> > iOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C
> > 0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mnpN8EcujQHWO4T4Cl%2FYps%2BKbnKdCQlEti%2FYAa4iI38%3
> > D&reserved=0>.
> > > >
> > > > Re: "in Section 8.5 of CableLabs IPv6 eRouter specification
> > > > [eRouter]", we note that Section 8.5 has the same title in I21
> > and I122.
> > > > However, if you prefer to reference Version I21, please let us
> > know
> > > > (and in that case, we recommend this URL:
> > > >
> > https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
> > w.cablelabs.com%2Fspecifications%2FCM-SP-
> > eRouter%3Fv%3DI21&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Cdf
> > 4acf16205f4e496afa08ddc933a2a7%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C
> > 0%7C0%7C638887945782206601%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiO
> > nRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyf
> > Q%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=h4hLrAgXFhEVVB%2FGYhIUYUqXp5JaIpTd4BPmEuv
> > KeZQ%3D&reserved=0).
> > > > -->
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > RFC Editor/ar
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 3, 2025, at 6:01 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tim,
> > > >
> > > > One additional question:
> > > >
> > > > 12) Re: LPD-6, what does "that is not assigned" refer to? As far
> > as verb agreement, it does not match "packets".
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > > IPv6 CE routers MUST continue to drop packets including
> > destination
> > > > address that is not assigned to the LAN or delegated.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps:
> > > > IPv6 CE routers MUST continue to drop packets, including
> > destination
> > > > address, that are not assigned to the LAN or delegated.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > RFC Editor/ar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <rfc9818.xml>
>
>
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