Like Bernie, I prefer the first version of the new text.

-éric

From: Megan Ferguson <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, 8 January 2026 at 01:10
To: Michael Richardson <[email protected]>, Bernie Volz <[email protected]>, 
Tomek Mrugalski <[email protected]>, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) 
<[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Editor RFC 
<[email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]>, 
[email protected] <[email protected]>, Suresh Krishnan (sureshk) 
<[email protected]>, Shawn Zandi via auth48archive 
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Subject: Re: [AD] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9915 <draft-ietf-dhc-rfc8415bis-12> for 
your review

Hi Tomek (and *Éric),

Any further thoughts/suggestions or preference related to one of these options 
from Bernie?


>>>>> 7. Can client send status code?
>>>>>
>>>>> The table in Section 21.13 lists UnspecFail status code with this text:
>>>>> "...this status code is sent by either a client or a server to indicate
>>>>> a failure...". In which cases client would be sending status code? I
>>>>> don't remember ever seeing client sending a status code in the wild. Is
>>>>> this to indicate some weird failure in reconfigure? Do we have a
>>>>> normative text somewhere that would say "client sends status code if
>>>>> ..."? I'm not sure what would be the point. What would the server be
>>>>> supposed to do with such information?
>>>>>
>>>> bv> you are correct that a client cannot send a status code, at least in 
>>>> the messages covered by this document. Again 3315 and 8415 have this text. 
>>>> Though I am a bit unsure as to whether we should actually change this text.
>>> [rfced] Please let us know how to proceed (perhaps *AD input could help?).
>>>
>>> AD> Let's avoid ambiguities and update the text to be clear that status 
>>> code is sent by the server only and should be ignored by the server upon 
>>> receiving any status code. Authors, can you propose OLD/NEW text ?

Bernie’s suggestions that were favored by Michael:
>
> Bernie Volz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> UnspecFail   1       Failure, reason unspecified; this status code
>> is sent by a server to indicate a failure not explicitly specified in
>> this document.
>
> I prefer this one.
> (Not sure if my middle-of-the-night phone poking worked)
>
>> Or, we could use (as the two conditions where this is used in the text
>> are clear indications that this is sent by server to client):
>
>> UnspecFail   1       Failure, reason unspecified; indicates a
>> failure not explicitly specified in this document.
>
> This one also works for me.
>
>
>
Thank you.

Megan Ferguson
RFC Production Center
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