anyone read the totally unneccessary flame wars at GNOME over the weekend? Please all, keep in mind that apache is not only an open source project; it also supports the ideas as promoted by the FSF. Peter, Ceki, both of you, as vital members of your respective jakarta projects, should really be above comments such as "We innovate, you copy". Also, I'd expect issues like "If however you are not accusing me of stealing ideas but instead of violating copyright then that is another thing altogether. I would like to see substantiated evidence that this has been the case for I do not apreciate slander." to not even be thought about within a 'copyleft'-oriented project. Listen to Berin, put personal matters aside and let's co-operate to have a common interface in the next version of both log4j and logkit. If I can talk to Oracle, mySQL, msSQL, InstantDB etc. databases using all but exactly the same code, I sure as hell should be able with regards to log4j/logkit. On the matter of: "Peter, log4j is an API that is used by thousands of developers. We cannot break backward compatibility just to please you." You could do so to make the other 99% of the developers here at jakarta that are confused by two logging APIs happy, not to mention the new user base. You could do so because it makes sense and improves both projects. You could do so because it gives us a little better chance to defeat an awful JSR. I can give you a lot of other reasons, but I'm not going to. Don't want to 'waste your time'? Then make the projects more accessible so others can do the work, and let it be. thank you very very much for acting like adults and finally solving this issue. Leo, who just recently acquired adult status --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
