> My whole point is that I want something like LogKit's Logger 
> interface available that both Log4J and LogKit can implement.  
> If necessary, we can even create a wrapper for JSR Logging 
> (which is botched).  That way Avalon Framework is agnostic of 
> the underlying Logging technology, and can be used in any setting.  
> Avalon Phoenix will most likely remain LogKit central--and that 
> is to be expected.  I want a Loggable interface that is not tied 
> to a specific Logging system.

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