> From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > Leo Sutic wrote:
> > > Carsten,
> > >
> > > you are right - everything gets a little bit more complicated.
> > >
> > Yes, and this is the thing that worries me - I know a lot of people
> > saying "Avalon is too complicated" and this makes it even a
> little bit
> > more complicated,
>
> hmm. Is it more complicated?
As Vadim said in a comparison of Cocoon and Struts: Cocoon developers
come from the "pattern hell" school of thought. (That was a point
against Cocoon, if anyone missed it.)
Worth thinking about, as I have seen some people here accusing
Cocoon of not following patterns cleanly enough.
As a matter of fact, I think we scare the shit out of most people
with the complexity of the framework already. Patterns within
patterns... It is not whether there are patterns or not - it is
the fact that you have patterns of patterns, and you must somehow
grasp them all.
So I completely understand Carsten. We will lose users. I see
before me someone saying "F*** it. (1) They are obviously not committed
to API stability, (2) just about when we've finally learned to use
the framework (given how complex it is that may be a while), the next
change will come along, (3) the cost of maintenance and keeping up
with that will kill us. Let's roll our own framework."
If it is more complicated or not does not matter - what matters is
what it is *percieved* as.
For all its faults, A4 is *easy* to *use*. (Although I confess I never
ever understood the RoleManager.)
/LS
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