Leo,

> Paul,
>
> what you propose is what I want with one difference:
>
> I would like to see Cornerstone reduced.

I can't see anything that could be trimmed from there.

> However, as this is not practical due to the nature of Jakarta, I'd 
> say we agree pretty much 100%. What you propose is also what Leo 
> Simons wants, I think. (If not I've just voted +1 to two incompatible 
> plans, oh well...)
>
>  - Avalon Framework
>  - Avalon Containers (codename excalibur)
>     - educational (codename tweety)
>     - micro (codename micro)
>     - basic (codename fortress)
>     - server (codename phoenix)
>  - Avalon Services (codename cornerstone)
>
> Yep, that's the way to go. I think we all agree on the above. I know 
> I'm with it, anyway.
>
> Then there are some other items in the background:
>
>  + Avalon Development Kit (maybe part of framework project?)

Imprecise use of the term Avalon.........

>  + Nurture new apps (Cornerstone?)

Nope.  Cornerstone is for components that Phoenix dependant apps can 
use.  None of them can run on their own.  Think Xerces.

>  + Spec/Impl separation of framework. (?) (Details to be discussed 
> out...) I'm a bit hazy on exactly what this means... Separate out 
> interfaces into a separate Jar file or?

+1, though I am not hazy.

- Paul


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