At 12:01 23/4/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote: >Peter Donald wrote: >> >> At 09:07 23/4/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote: >> >Let's not take my argument to the extreme. The natural separation of >> Cornerstone, Pheonix, >> >and Avalon Framework (and LogKit) is both acceptable and good. My >> argument is to not take >> >the extreme approach in the other direction and have 20 jars where 3 or 4 >> are warranted. >> >> Lets see - I want 3 jars for cocoon for clearly separate concerns >> * logging >> * framework >> * components >> >> So where are the other 17 you are yammering about ? ;) > >Exaggeration to make a point ;P.
;) >The key issue with separating Framework/Components into separate jars is a >future concern. The Java Services proposal (JSR-111) has a direct crosscuttting >concern area with Avalon Framework (and part of Pheonix). This is from their >public proposal, so I don't think I can say a whole lot more than that. > >If we determine that the JSR framework which will be pooled from several existing >frameworks and several bright minds should replace our Framework we have nothing >that is Avalon anymore. Which is one damn good arguement for having org.apache.framework rather than org.apache.avalon ;) Then Avalon is all of it Framework/Excalibur/Phoenix/etc. >Am I out of my head on this? Combining the Excalibur and avalon framework classes >in one jar is a low cost solution. On the otherhand, placing them in separate >jars but in the same CVS is another low cost alternative. I will relent on that >point--but not a completely new CVS project. small steps work for me ;) Cheers, Pete *-----------------------------------------------------* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-----------------------------------------------------* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
