On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Mark Shuttleworth <[email protected]> wrote: > On 09/06/10 18:02, Martin Gräßlin wrote: >> Please tell me you are joking. After all the arguments I presented you still >> think CSD is the road to go? You completely ignore my arguments, you actually >> have not even read my arguments or you would know that some things like >> closing hung windows or aligning window buttons are impossible. >> >> All I wanted was to start a discussion about what is missing in decorations. >> It's not me who wants to keep window decorations, it's you who want to >> replace >> something working with a broken concept. And you should at least be able to >> present one valid use case what can only be achieved with CSD. So far you >> only >> proofed that you have no idea what's possible with window decorations. This >> mail is quite a slap into my face and an insult. I really hope this is not >> the >> attitude Ubuntu stands for today. I thought it was about "humanity". >> >> I wanted to offer my help. I saw that you are heading in the wrong direction >> based on the missinformation that you cannot achieve certain theming options >> with window decorations. As I presented several times in this thread all you >> want is possible right now in kwin. Apparently you did not even take the time >> to look through the mails on the wm-spec mailing list or my blog posts of the >> last half year. >> >> I'm totally shocked. I hope for the future of Ubuntu that you will learn that >> you cannot ignore your Upstreams. And you can be sure that I won't spent one >> minute on fixing any issue caused by CSD in kwin. Bug reports will be set to >> invalid and I will enforce window decorations on CSD windows, if it is >> necessary. It would be unacceptable that windows cannot be closed if they >> hung. >> >> I wish you all the best, but I feel like wasting my time in this discussion. >> Go your way, destroy the user experience we used to have. >> > > Martin, calm down. > > Based on your correspondence I earlier asked the Canonical team to > review the idea and make sure it's something we want to do. Folks are > keen to do the right thing, and nobody wants to take a step that we will > regret later if it can be avoided by careful assessment now. It will > take a little time to caucus folks across the Ubuntu and design and DX > teams, and then we'll make a decision. I appreciate the effort you have > put into helping us with that, and we'll probably have more questions later. > > Assuming that people are muppets just because they have a different > opinion is just... rude. Your mail above says "I will be very hard to > collaborate with", nothing more or less. You might want to relax a little. > > I don't think that the relationship between the window manager and the > user is sacrosanct. It's what we have today, but it's not the only way > of doing things. I know that's heresy when spoken to an author of window > managers, but that's how I feel about it. My interest is in moving > things towards the best possible user experience, period. And if CSD is > needed for that, we'll do it. If it isn't, we don't want to put work > into something just because it's shiny. >
I think Martin and I already justified to you how using CSD is going to make the user experience worse by breaking-by-design existing technology which is already used to ensure consistency in the user interface. Kind Regards, Sam > Mark > > -- Sam Spilsbury _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
