Hi. I forgot about bug link :-P : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/917951
Regards Bartosz 2012/1/20, Bartosz <gan...@poczta.onet.pl>: > Hi. > > I created the bug report for this issue. > > Could you please take a look at this? > > Best Regards > Bartosz > > 2012/1/12, Bartosz <gan...@poczta.onet.pl>: >> Hi Guys. >> >> Thanks for your comments. >> I'm not familiar with the Ayatana process, so I have an question: >> >> Is any chance to improve the already opened applications icon look? >> What is official process for this? >> Who take the decision if the feature will be implemented or not? >> >> The "Backlight toggle" idea from me it was only suggestion (it is >> really easy to enable/implement this feature, and it was tested by my >> vision loose friend). >> >> If you don't like it I could suggest something else. >> For example; >> Change size of backlight in Launcher. If the application is already >> opened the backlight size will be big. If application is not run, then >> backlight will be smaller. >> >> Best Regards >> Bartosz >> >> >> 2012/1/12, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com>: >>> Symbolic icons are better used for functions or tasks within an >>> app/application/program (which I here use interchangeably). The back >>> button >>> in a browser. >>> >>> Who said the web browsers are broken? I use two to help stay organized. >>> In >>> one browser, I always have bookmarks, saved passwords and sessions, >>> tabs, >>> history, and auto fill for work, while in the other, I keep personal >>> tabs, >>> bookmarks, passwords, etc. >>> >>> How will the user know which app is set a default anyway? What if they >>> want >>> to change it? Short of looking in the settings or haphazardly opening it >>> to >>> find out, there isn't one. >>> >>> A good UI will balance form and function. You don't want to try and >>> adapt >>> function to fit form; if you have to go one way or the other, it's much >>> better to sacrifice form for function. Symbolic icons are unintuitive >>> and >>> very confusing to new users, and they serve very little function since >>> the >>> current, branded icons are symbolic anyway. >>> >>> --Ian Santopietro >>> >>> "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended" >>> >>> Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): >>> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup? >>> op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 >>> On Jan 12, 2012 12:58 AM, "frederik.nn...@gmail.com" < >>> frederik.nn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 08:12, Jeremy Bicha <jbi...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11 January 2012 18:27, frederik.nn...@gmail.com >>>>> <frederik.nn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > symbolic icons, not desaturated corporate branding icons. >>>>> >>>>> It is a very bad idea for Canonical to tweak the Firefox logo, and >>>>> Mozilla is more of a non-profit than an "evil corporation". That >>>>> Firefox's logo is nearly unrecognizable in Mint 12 is not a good >>>>> thing. I don't believe Ubuntu can legally modify the Skype >>>>> logo/trademarks anyway, but it's a bad idea so let's not even consider >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> agreed. >>>> that's why we have symbolic icons which represent a functionality. >>>> The functionality can then be executed by a branded app. >>>> Think of the symbolic icon as a wrapper. That's foundation, platform, >>>> Unity, rather than "app". >>>> So to be more specific, a functionality (application) maps to an >>>> executor: >>>> >>>> www-browser - [firefox|epiphany|chromium|opera|...] >>>> instant-messenger - [empathy|pidgin|ekiga|skype|trillian|...] >>>> file-manager - [thunar|dolphin|marlin|nautilus|mc] >>>> >>>> this way the last used "app" will be opened for the respective >>>> functionality by "default", when the symbol representing the >>>> functionality >>>> is clicked. >>>> and: freedom of choice remains untampered with. branding and logo >>>> copyrights are unharmed. >>>> to think "free" and "open" doesn't mean we should allow the chaos from >>>> the >>>> old notification area to bloom in the unity launcher, now that we put >>>> an >>>> end to it with symbolic indicator menus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> > does canonical want app developers to develop their UI or does >>>>> > Ayatana >>>>> aim at developing it themselves? >>>>> >>>>> Ubuntu developers maintain the platform or foundation including Unity; >>>>> Ubuntu app developers write cool programs that can run on Ubuntu. And >>>>> of course, not all Ubuntu developers are part of Canonical or the >>>>> Design team. >>>>> >>>>> > remains the wording problem in the community.. what is "app" and is >>>>> "app" >>>>> > different from "application"? and what does "application" mean? >>>>> >>>>> I think you like philosophical rabbit trails. "App" is a nice, current >>>>> buzzword for a computer program, as you might install from a >>>>> smartphone app store. >>>>> >>>> >>>> my philosophical rabbit trail, explained: >>>> In today's "buzzy" language, stuff is not defined precisely. >>>> If you want to define a system interface on the other hand, you will >>>> need >>>> a precise-to-the-core language to do this. >>>> If the wording used to define the system is not precise, the system's >>>> architecture will reflect this imprecision on all structural levels. >>>> Imprecision is an advantage in many situations, especially where you >>>> need >>>> randomness and entropy. >>>> It should be used deliberately, when defining an architecture, which >>>> will >>>> be used by millions of people for many hours of their lives. >>>> >>>> "app" != "application"; application != unequal functionality >>>> symbolic icon maps to functionality >>>> branding icon maps to "executing implementation" >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyway, back to the original topic. I'm glad that the original poster >>>>> was able to set up Ubuntu relatively easily with larger, more visible >>>>> icons. I agree that the launcher arrows are not obvious enough; maybe >>>>> the designers will try to make them better in the coming weeks. >>>> >>>> >>>> i'm curious to find out what that will feel like.. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >>>> Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
