Margaret,
Have you done a great deal of research on your Sao Jorge relatives? This is such a treat to have the info Joao sent! These ancestors that we connect on are behind my GGgrandmother, Agueda Maria da Silveira, from Topo. Arline Silveira actually helped me with her line back to Jean de Betencourt in the 1200's. This group has such a wealth of knowledge! Regards, Nancy Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:44:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Nancy, I don't know much about this but It is worth noting the connection, and I am doing that. Margaret On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM, nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]> wrote: Greetings, I did a comparison of my line with yours..... 11th generation all of them are mine also......1640,1641,1644 and 1645 who I have as Margarida Sousa Leonardes....I have her parents as Joao Leonardes and Isabel Goncalves 10th generation....I also have most of them....816, 817, 820, 821, 822, 823.... I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires 9th generation.....I have 408, 409,410,411 8th......I have 204 and 205 None any later than those that I can see here. So....cousins of some sort but I find these relationships very difficult to figure out! Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings. margaret. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Nancy, Margaret, I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too. I have most of these names in my line... from Calheta, Sao Jorge. Also Norte Grande. I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names. Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy jean baptiste" <[email protected]> To: "azores group" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes Hi Margaret, Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice to now be able to differentiate between a "sailor" and a "fisherman". These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th generation and down......I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see lots of my ancestors in this chart...... I'll bet several others on the list are connected as well! I envy the native speakers....I wish I had the "lingua"! Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu; Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish assistance. Thank you so much, one and all. Margaret On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> wrote: Joao, Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in providing this chart. THANK you very much! Margaret. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes <[email protected]> wrote: Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel First Generation 1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge. Second Generation 2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. Third Generation 4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório. 5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge. Fourth Generation 12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge. 14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa. 15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698. Fifth Generation 24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619. 26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 27. Joana PEREIRA was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. Sixth Generation 50. Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA was born c.1574. He married Isabel VIEIRA. 51. Isabel VIEIRA was born c.1584. 52. Domingos Gaspar Fagundes was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís. 53. Apolônia Luís was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de S.Jorge. Seventh Generation 100. Brás FERNANDES was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA. 101. Isabel PEREIRA. 102. Miguel VIEIRA was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL. 103. Suzana MANUEL. 104. Gaspar João Fagundes was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha de São Jorge. He died before 22 Feb 1637. Gaspar married (?) Apolônia Dias. Eighth Generation 204. Vicente Dias VIEIRA was born c.1510. He married Beatriz Gonçalves TEIXEIRA. 205. Beatriz Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1520. 206. Manuel Fernandes d ÁGUEDA married Maria GOMES. 207. Maria GOMES. 208. João Dias FAGUNDES was born about 1523. He married Isabel Afonso de VALENÇA. 209. Isabel Afonso de VALENÇA was born about 1533. Ninth Generation 408. Álvaro Dias VIEIRA married Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO. 409. Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO. 410. André Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1490. He married Isabel Pires de SOUSA. 411. Isabel Pires de SOUSA was born c.1500. 412. Fernando(?) d' ÁGUEDA. 418. Pedro Eanes de VALENÇA was born c.1504. He married Isabel Casado BARRETO. 419. Isabel Casado BARRETO. Tenth Generation 816. Diogo Álvares VIEIRA married Beatriz CAMACHO. 817. Beatriz CAMACHO. 820. Jeronimo Gonçalves Teixeira do SOUTOMAIOR was born c.1460. He married Luzia DIAS. 821. Luzia DIAS. 822. Pedro Luís de Sousa do BRASIL was born c.1470. He married Catarina Eanes PIRES. 823. Catarina Eanes PIRES. 838. Afonso CASADO married Maria Eanes de MEIRELES. 839. Maria Eanes de MEIRELES. Eleventh Generation 1640. Bartolomeu da CUNHA married Catarina TEIXEIRA. 1641. Catarina TEIXEIRA. 1644. Fernão Luís de SOUSA married Margarida LEONARDES. 1645. Margarida LEONARDES. De: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> Para: [email protected] Enviadas: Domingo, 11 de Abril de 2010 14:58:25 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes Hi All, Thank you so much for the very elucidating emails. Here's the full record as requested for Izabel, where this word shows up and 2 others of his children for comparison. Thank you so much everyone. margaret. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Karlushko <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Ary, I kindly desagree with you, that letter T, was the way they would write at that time you can even compare the other words written with T and you will understand better. You will notice that there isnt Marianse as a profession at that time, if I am not mistaken, and if there is, I apologize for being wrong My best regards, Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA Pesquisando: Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus. --- Em sáb, 10/4/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> escreveu: De: [email protected] <[email protected]> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes Para: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 16:47 Hi Margaret, This is my first message after a couple years of absence from the list!... Your attachment seems, even to a Brazilian, as : "marianse"....... it would be a kind of occupation..... As for the meaning of that (which I do not know...) it could be a "sea worker" ("mar" means "sea") or maybe even a fisherman (pescador)... But, in any event a man tied to the sea. That is the best understanding I can take from it and share with you. It is not a name! However you didn´t share the year of that record.... That would be interesting to know. Ary Santos Sao Paulo-Brazil. Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente < [email protected] > escreveu: Hello Group, Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let me know what that means? He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side. I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions without some of your expert advice. Thank you. Margaret Vicente -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. 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