You are welcome, Hermano. All I expect is that you will pass it forward to other relatives. If you think of first cousins being the children of f siblings; second cousins being the grandchildren of siblings; third cousins being the great-grandchildren of siblings, etc., you will then find the 22nd. cousins. 4 times removed means that person is the great-great-grandchild of one of those 22nd. cousins. I was determined to understand the cousins and those removed and someone gave me a chart that explained it to me. I think it is great that in my research I have found that one of my daughters is a 7th cousin to her husband. I would never have thought that would happen since I did not have any relatives from the island where my son-in-law's Portuguese ancesters were born. Of course, in genealogy I have learned to never say never or impossible because I have been proven wrong many times. I think of the list as a giant reunion of families. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry [email protected]
--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Hermano C. Pires <[email protected]> wrote: From: Hermano C. Pires <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mysterious Maiden Name To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:31 AM Hello Celeste and Margaret. I always find it great when the information I have is confirmed by others. And it goes without saying how great it is to find relatives no matter how distant. I certainly get a kick out of that, athought I have at times wondered what a 22nd cousin, 4 times removed really means :)). Celeste, I don't know if you remember but earlier on in my reseach i was probaly finding it a bit discouraging and you exhorted me on. Boy did you ever! I hope you don't mind that I used some of your information to fill certain holes in my ever expanding data base. Many thanks and cheers, cousins! Hermano Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:37:32 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mysterious Maiden Name To: [email protected] And my husband descends from Monica's sister, ANTONIA DA COSTA DE MEDEIROS and her husband, JOSE de MELLO NABORGES. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry [email protected] --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mysterious Maiden Name To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 7:01 PM Hello Hermano, We do indeed. I descend from Antonio and Maria's daughter Monica de Medeiros and her husband Jeronimo Ferreira. Margaret. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Hermano C. Pires <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Margaret Your gggrandmother Ana Candida is my 3rd cousin 4times removed (according to Family Tree Maker). One set of ancestors we would share is Antonio da Costa and Maria de Medeiros, in Agua de Pau, my 6th ggrandparents. Hermano Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:58:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mysterious Maiden Name From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hello Maria, My great great grandmother Ana Candida dos Santos Bento or Ana Benta married Francisco Jose de Medeiros 02-Dec-1840. Francisco Jose de Medeiros born 16-Jul-1817 was the son of Antonio Jose de Medeiros and Maria de Jesus from Ponta Garca. Margaret On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: I think you both share ancestors with Etta Daniels - [email protected] (via Francisca /Pereira/ and João Bento /de Sousa) Margaret, who is your great great grandfather? Maria Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Vicente" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:51:24 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mysterious Maiden Name Hi Jesse, Helena do Espirito Santo dos Santos daughter of Antonio Jacinto Bento and Maria dos Santos was born on May 27 1814 in Agua de Pau, and is my great-great aunt. She is my great great grandmother Ana Candida dos Santos' sister. Antonio Jacinto Bento, my gggf who was born Oct 20 1791, son of Joao Bento de Sousa and Francisca Pereira. Yes, there is Luiz as a surname in the family. Francisca Pereira born on Mar 3rd 1762 was the daughter of Manuel Pereira and Barbara Luiz. Margaret Vicente On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Jesse Pacheco <[email protected]> wrote: Hi everyone. Once again I am posting about a family I have mentioned previously but with new information behind me, which has, as always, brought new questions. I will give some background information first to leave out any room for error. My great great grandmother was Maria da Resureicao d'Andrade. Since this branch was estranged from my family, all of my information on them is from my own research. I can confirm that she was born 2 Apr 1888 from her SSDI record; I can confirm the death is hers from the obituary I found. From this information, I learned that she was born in Lagoa, SM, and her father's name was Antone (Antonio) Andrade and her mother was Mary Rose Moniz. Incidentally, Maria R.'s eventual mother in law was named Rosalina. It is that fact that gives me reason to believe that confusion may have occurred. With the help of Maria Moore from the list, I located a baptismo in Rosario, Lagoa, SM for a Maria born 2 Apr 1888 to Antonio d'Andrade Caggarinho and Maria Jose. Although "Jose" is very different in sound from "Rose," they are only one letter off; I believe that there was a mistake, somewhere along the line, and "Jose" may have been misread by someone having "Rosalina" in mind, possibly a grandchild who had never known their grandparents who remained in the Azores. This is only my theory. What the theory does not explain, though is the "Moniz" surname. The earliest record I have of Moniz is Maria Resureicao's marriage record, where her mother is listed as "Maria Moniz" and her mother-in-law as "Rosa Luiz." I have traced the family four to five generations back into the Azores, and this is Maria Jose "Moniz's" lineage: Maria Jose born 15 Apr 1853 to Manuel de Botelho and Elena do Espirito Santo. Manuel de Botelho was the son of Joze Botelho and Luzia Ignacia, the paternal grandson of Joze Botelho and Secilia Medeiros, and the maternal grandson of Estevao da Ponte and Jozefa Pacheca. Elena do Espirito Santo was the daughter of Antonio Jacinto (no "surname," just Jacinto) and Maria dos Santos, the paternal granddaughter of Joao Bento and Francisco Pereira, and the maternal granddaughter of Antonio Fereira and Thereza dos Santos. Nowhere in the lineage is a Moniz (or a Luiz, though I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with the family) and I am wondering where it may have come from. I am wondering if Maria Jose's father Manuel Botelho may have become Manuel Botelho Moniz at some point in his life, but I have two of his casamentos and he is just Botelho on both. I haven't been able to find his obito yet; he was born in 1797 in Agua do Pau, so I think the records are available for me to look online. I wanted to post about this first, though; does anyone else have any mysterious names like I do, or did I have a mistake in my research and this family is not even mine? I have been extra careful about that with this family since I had so little information of my own, so I hope that's not the case! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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