I thought since you were asking about Rodrigues and connecting to HI, that I would send you this email that is almost three years old, but thought it might help. I don't know if these listers are still in the group, but here is their conversation as well as mine.
Linda Borges Furtado Norton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Crest or Coat of Arms - Rodrigues Linda, I would be interested in the Rodrigues Coat of Arms. That is a name in my tree. I also have de Sousa from my materinal side. Can you send the information to [email protected] Thanks so much, Theresa Aguiar, Noia, Nunes, Rodrigues, Tosta, Machado, Silveira, Sousa, Mattos, just to name a few. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Linda Norton" <[email protected]> > I got from a lister, Judy Rodrigues Fulton from Moreno Valley, CA back > in 05 a copy of the Crest and Coat of Arms on Rodrigues because she > thought there might have been a connection. She got it from her father > who lives in Maui, HI. > > > > I guess her father was a real history buff on Portugal because he > attached various treaties that dated back to 1373, if anyone is > interested. Also a Certificate of Special Rights of Citizenship for > the island of Maui dated Sept. 28, 1894. A.J. Rodrigues age 31 yrs., born at Santa Cruz, Madeira. > Occupation a Merchant who has resided in the Hawaiian Island 11 years > and whose present residence is at Sahaiua, Maui .. > > > > Three coat of arms and a fourth that some consider representing > Austria. The crests are all different. First is from Martim Rodrigues > - Book of the Principal Armourer (Livro do Armeiro-mor) that person > existed before 1509; Second, Antonio Rodrigues - Chief of Arms to the > King to whom the Emperor of Germany gave the arms maybe around 1510; > and the one that originated in Spain known as Rodrigues de las > Varillas also called Rodrigues de Salamanca came from that place at > the time of Filipe II. The last one, descendant of Andre Rodrigues de > Austria, others felt belonged to the surname Austria which could have been just the name of their place of origin. > > > > I never made a connection because I can't find anything from mid > 1850's back on my mother's Rodrigues with no lines coming down from > there because of the females and a deceased male and 1715 on my > father's Rodrigues line which brought down the females to my de Sousa's line. > > > > Any interest, I can attach the information. > > > > Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of lisa lema > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Crest or Coat of Arms > > > > Thank You so much, Mary Ann. I am relying on the memory I have of at > 10 or 11, so I could be mistaken about the way the lions are in the > crest. I was wondering what is exactly on the crest you are talking > about? and Is there a way to look up "Amorial Lusitano" on line? As > for what you have listed in below, unfortunately, my daddy decided to > "forget" portuguese, and did not allow my grandmother to teach us or > speak to us in Portuguese. I only know a few smattering words. Like > uncle, aunt, knife, thank you, poor baby, and hush your mouth. I will > try to find these words on the web and try to translate it. Thank you. > > Lisa L > <http://gfx4.mail.live.com/mail/11.00/updatebeta/emoticons/music_note. > gif> > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:45:40 -0800 > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Crest or Coat of Arms > > > > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > Is the coat of arms form Lema (Lima)? I have a book "Armorial Lusitano" > and can look in it for you. The crest for Lima has lions on it but not > facing each other. If you can translate portuguese here is some info > on Lima (without diacritical marks, sorry): > > > > Lima. E das familias principais de Portugal, pois descende de D. > > Fernao > Aires Baticela, chamado "o de Anho", que se casou com D. Teresa > Bermudes, filha de D. Bermudo Peres Potestade de Trava e de sua > mulher, D. Terese Henriques, irma inteira do Rei D. Afonso Henriques, > fundadores do mosteiro de Sobrado. Dest casamento nasceram D. Joao Fernandes de Lima, "o Bom"; D. > Rui Fernandes Cordorniz, que casou e teve geracao; D. Gil Fernandes > Baticela, que foi marido de D. Teresa Pais, filha de Paio Mendes Sored > e de D. Ermezenda Nunes Maldonado, com geracao; D. Maria Fernandes, > sem mais noticia, e D. Terese Fernandes, mulher de D. Lopo Rodrigues de Ulhao. > > > > D. Joao Fernandes de Lima, "o Bom", foi o primeiro do apelido, que > > tomou > da terra de Lima, na Galiza, a qual se chamava, entao, de Lima, por > ser dai natural. Recebeu-se com D. Beringueira Afonso da Baiao, filha > de Afonso Henriques de Baiao e de sua mulher, D. Terese Pires de Braganca, filha de D. > Pedro Fernandes de Braganca, e de sua mulher, D. Froile Sanches, de > quem teve D. Fernao Anes de Lima, continuador da linhagem e apelido. Casando D. > Joao Fernandes secunda vez com D. Maria Pais Ribeiro, filha de D. Paio > Moniz e de sua mulher, D. Urraca Nunes de Braganca, dele houve a > Goncalo Anes, que parece ter sido morto, junto de Granada, pelos > Mouros; D. Teresa Anes, mulher de D. Mendo Garcia de Sousa, e D. Maria Anes, mulher do rei D. > Vernando de Leao e depois mulher de D. Afonso Teles de Cordova. > > > > As armas antigas dos Limas sao: De ouro, com quatro palas de vermelho. > > > > Mondernamente usam as sequintes: Terciado em pala: 1, de ouro, com > > quatro > palas de vermelho (Limas); 2, cortado: o primeiro de prata, com um > leao de purpura, armado e lampassado de vermelho (Silva); o secundo de > prata, com tres faixas xadrezadas de vermelho e de ouro, de tres tiras > (Sotomaior); 3, cortado de Sotomaior e de Silva. Timbre: o leao do secudo. > > > > Algun autores nao daao o escudo terciado em pala, mas esquartelado > > de > Silvas e de Sotomaiores e flanqueado a direita de Limas, o que e mais > logico. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: lisa lema <[email protected]> > > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:10 am > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Crest or Coat of Arms > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Hello all. I am so excited I can hardly type. I just remembered I > > > have a family coat of Arms!!!! I do surely hope this will help me > > > Identify my ancestors!!!!One slight hang up; I haven't Seen it in > > > bout 30 years. > > > I remember it has two lions (I think they had on crowns, maybe > > > not) facing each other on their hind legs, I believe there is a > > > tree on the crest and I think there is a sword in between the two Lions. > > > Does this sound familiar to ANY ONE????? and where can I go to > > > research my coat of arms? Thank You Lisa L > > > > > > > > > > > </html > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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--- Begin Message ---I got from a lister, Judy Rodrigues Fulton from Moreno Valley, CA back in 05 a copy of the Crest and Coat of Arms on Rodrigues because she thought there might have been a connection. She got it from her father who lives in Maui, HI. I guess her father was a real history buff on Portugal because he attached various treaties that dated back to 1373, if anyone is interested. Also a Certificate of Special Rights of Citizenship for the island of Maui dated Sept. 28, 1894. A.J. Rodrigues age 31 yrs., born at Santa Cruz, Madeira. Occupation a Merchant who has resided in the Hawaiian Island 11 years and whose present residence is at Sahaiua, Maui Three coat of arms and a fourth that some consider representing Austria. The crests are all different. First is from Martim Rodrigues Book of the Principal Armourer (Livro do Armeiro-mor) that person existed before 1509; Second, Antonio Rodrigues Chief of Arms to the King to whom the Emperor of Germany gave the arms maybe around 1510; and the one that originated in Spain known as Rodrigues de las Varillas also called Rodrigues de Salamanca came from that place at the time of Filipe II. The last one, descendant of Andre Rodrigues de Austria, others felt belonged to the surname Austria which could have been just the name of their place of origin. I never made a connection because I cant find anything from mid 1850s back on my mothers Rodrigues with no lines coming down from there because of the females and a deceased male and 1715 on my fathers Rodrigues line which brought down the females to my de Sousas line. Any interest, I can attach the information. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lisa lema Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Crest or Coat of Arms Thank You so much, Mary Ann. I am relying on the memory I have of at 10 or 11, so I could be mistaken about the way the lions are in the crest. I was wondering what is exactly on the crest you are talking about? and Is there a way to look up "Amorial Lusitano" on line? As for what you have listed in below, unfortunately, my daddy decided to "forget" portuguese, and did not allow my grandmother to teach us or speak to us in Portuguese. I only know a few smattering words. Like uncle, aunt, knife, thank you, poor baby, and hush your mouth. I will try to find these words on the web and try to translate it. Thank you. Lisa L <http://gfx4.mail.live.com/mail/11.00/updatebeta/emoticons/music_note.gif> > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:45:40 -0800 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Crest or Coat of Arms > > > Hi Lisa, > > Is the coat of arms form Lema (Lima)? I have a book "Armorial Lusitano" and can look in it for you. The crest for Lima has lions on it but not facing each other. If you can translate portuguese here is some info on Lima (without diacritical marks, sorry): > > Lima. E das familias principais de Portugal, pois descende de D. Fernao Aires Baticela, chamado "o de Anho", que se casou com D. Teresa Bermudes, filha de D. Bermudo Peres Potestade de Trava e de sua mulher, D. Terese Henriques, irma inteira do Rei D. Afonso Henriques, fundadores do mosteiro de Sobrado. Dest casamento nasceram D. Joao Fernandes de Lima, "o Bom"; D. Rui Fernandes Cordorniz, que casou e teve geracao; D. Gil Fernandes Baticela, que foi marido de D. Teresa Pais, filha de Paio Mendes Sored e de D. Ermezenda Nunes Maldonado, com geracao; D. Maria Fernandes, sem mais noticia, e D. Terese Fernandes, mulher de D. Lopo Rodrigues de Ulhao. > > D. Joao Fernandes de Lima, "o Bom", foi o primeiro do apelido, que tomou da terra de Lima, na Galiza, a qual se chamava, entao, de Lima, por ser dai natural. Recebeu-se com D. Beringueira Afonso da Baiao, filha de Afonso Henriques de Baiao e de sua mulher, D. Terese Pires de Braganca, filha de D. Pedro Fernandes de Braganca, e de sua mulher, D. Froile Sanches, de quem teve D. Fernao Anes de Lima, continuador da linhagem e apelido. Casando D. Joao Fernandes secunda vez com D. Maria Pais Ribeiro, filha de D. Paio Moniz e de sua mulher, D. Urraca Nunes de Braganca, dele houve a Goncalo Anes, que parece ter sido morto, junto de Granada, pelos Mouros; D. Teresa Anes, mulher de D. Mendo Garcia de Sousa, e D. Maria Anes, mulher do rei D. Vernando de Leao e depois mulher de D. Afonso Teles de Cordova. > > As armas antigas dos Limas sao: De ouro, com quatro palas de vermelho. > > Mondernamente usam as sequintes: Terciado em pala: 1, de ouro, com quatro palas de vermelho (Limas); 2, cortado: o primeiro de prata, com um leao de purpura, armado e lampassado de vermelho (Silva); o secundo de prata, com tres faixas xadrezadas de vermelho e de ouro, de tres tiras (Sotomaior); 3, cortado de Sotomaior e de Silva. Timbre: o leao do secudo. > > Algun autores nao daao o escudo terciado em pala, mas esquartelado de Silvas e de Sotomaiores e flanqueado a direita de Limas, o que e mais logico. > > Good luck! > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lisa lema <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:10 am > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Crest or Coat of Arms > To: [email protected] > > > > Hello all. I am so excited I can hardly type. I just remembered I > > have a family coat of Arms!!!! I do surely hope this will help me > > Identify my ancestors!!!!One slight hang up; I haven't Seen it in bout > > 30 years. > > I remember it has two lions (I think they had on crowns, maybe not) > > facing each other on their hind legs, I believe there is a tree on the > > crest and I think there is a sword in between the two Lions. > > Does this sound familiar to ANY ONE????? and where can I go to > > research my coat of arms? Thank You > > Lisa L > > > > > > > </html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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