I think I have just made the link that confirms that she is the same person. there is a notation in the margin of her son's baptism record and appears to be the recording of her death. Being new to this research I had not taken much notice of it before. It appears to be 16 Sept ?? which is the same date as the obit of Victorina Constancia. Can anyone please confirm the date on this notation. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P65.html I also looked up the meaning of Constancia and found it means steadfast. thank you Diane
On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:58:39 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote: > Sorry this may have beem misleading. I meant that she was "Victorina Rosa" > on her marriage and the baptism of her sons. > > Diane > > > On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:56:54 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote: > >> Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most >> of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was "Constancia". >> She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 1853. >> On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just >> Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too - >> 28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else. >> >> Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have meant >> something to the family after she died?? >> >> Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second >> son. I haven't found them yet. My line were all born in Sydney and those >> records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney in >> 1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria >> Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname >> name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and >> that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him >> from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister and >> their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina). >> >> It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because there >> is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see. >> >> On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside >> of marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout >> Catholics and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was >> single with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried. >> >> Thanks again. >> Diane Donnon >> South Autralia >> >> >> >> On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> Diane D, >>> >>> It's probably her. Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or Constancia) >>> having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado Pereira)? If you >>> don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's your Vitorina's >>> obit. You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and see what they >>> call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___). You have her on all >>> the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia? What about all of her >>> biological grandkids? How do they list her at their baptism? >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >> -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
