I started the topic on Oct. 18, "Minta surname from Flores Island - 
derivation?"

Margaret Vicente found the key record that convinces me, along with other 
leads from the Group, that Minta derives from Pimentel Ramos, because one 
of the few particulars we know about Manuel Minta was his birth on 17 Jan 
1828 on Flores:

Santa Cruz, Baptismos 1826-1841 > 
0035<http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P35.html>

Manuel Pimentel Ramos
Born 17 Jan 1828
Baptized 28 Jan 1828

I'm hoping for a full translation of this record since it's critical to get 
it right, not just for my family tree, but for others who may be skeptical 
about readjusting Ramos/Renas/Minta lineages.

It implies Manuel Pimentel Ramos changed to Minta, as did his siblings 
Mathew and Mary (Maria) Minta. However, Mathew changed back to Pimentel 
Ramos after the 1880 US Census, whereas Mary (Maria) married, so we don't 
know.


NOTES

Also, this would help clear up confusion on the oft-repeated dates for 
Manuel Pimentel Ramos:

Born 11 Jan 1828
Baptized 22 Jan 1828 (sometimes cited as birth)

all based on this record, I believe:
Family Search Pedigree Resource 
File<http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/S1FM-RST>

To see how all this will change the Minta-Ramos family tree, look at

Manuel Minta <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/45606850/person/6388123471>
and siblings

then, in same family tree, compare to

Manuel Pimentel Ramos<http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/45606850/person/6495811895>
and siblings

I use unique icons to easily see the three cases of Minta equivalents to 
Pimental Ramos.

I follow Greg Small on the use of Ramos vs Renas; for example, see his note 
at

Ramos, Manuel 
Pimentel<http://gsmall.us/Family/Gimbel/getperson.php?personID=I00434&tree=Gimbel>


Thanks once again,
Steve Minta

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