About the term Matriz, it's not "matrix" but more like "mother Church" meaning the head church for the Concelho. In this case Santa Cruz the mother church for the ones in Cedros, Ponta Delgada, and Caveira.
Eric Edgar On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]>wrote: > Steve, > > Here's my attempt: > > Manuel filho de Manuel Pimentel Ramos e de sua mulher Maria de Jesus > fregueses desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora da Conceição da vila de Santa Cruz > ilha das Flores. Neto pela parte paterna de Francisco Pimentel Cravinho e > de Florencia de S. Jose, e pela parte materna de Jose Francisco Fialho e de > Maria Francisca. Nasceu em os desassete dias to mes de Janeiro do ano de > mil outo centos e vinte outo, e foi batisado por mim Ouvidor e Vigario da > mesma Matriz abaixo assinado em os vinte dias do dito mês e ano. Foram > Padrinhos Francisco Pimentel Breta e sua filha Ana. Testemunhas Jose > Pimentel e Manuel Furtado e que para constar fiz este termo era est supra. > > Vigario > Jose Jacinto Fraga > > > > Manuel son of Manuel Pimentel Ramos and his wife Maria de Jesus, > parishioners of this Matrix of Our Lady of Conception, town of Santa Cruz, > island of Flores. Grandchild on the paternal side of Francisco Pimentel > Cravinho and Florencia de S. Jose, and on the maternal side of Jose > Francisco Fialho and Maria Francisca. Born on the seventeenth day of the > month of January of the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty eight, > and was baptized by me Ombudsman and Vicar of the same Matrix, below > endorsee, on the twentieth day of the aforementioned month and > year. Godparents were Francisco Pimentel Breta and his daughter > Ana. Witnesses Jose Pimentel and Manuel Furtado and for the record I have > registered era est supra. > > Vicar Jose > Jacinto Fraga. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Steve <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I started the topic on Oct. 18, "Minta surname from Flores Island - >> derivation?" >> >> Margaret Vicente found the key record that convinces me, along with other >> leads from the Group, that Minta derives from Pimentel Ramos, because one >> of the few particulars we know about Manuel Minta was his birth on 17 Jan >> 1828 on Flores: >> >> Santa Cruz, Baptismos 1826-1841 > >> 0035<http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P35.html> >> >> Manuel Pimentel Ramos >> Born 17 Jan 1828 >> Baptized 28 Jan 1828 >> >> I'm hoping for a full translation of this record since it's critical to >> get it right, not just for my family tree, but for others who may be >> skeptical about readjusting Ramos/Renas/Minta lineages. >> >> It implies Manuel Pimentel Ramos changed to Minta, as did his siblings >> Mathew and Mary (Maria) Minta. However, Mathew changed back to Pimentel >> Ramos after the 1880 US Census, whereas Mary (Maria) married, so we don't >> know. >> >> >> NOTES >> >> Also, this would help clear up confusion on the oft-repeated dates for >> Manuel Pimentel Ramos: >> >> Born 11 Jan 1828 >> Baptized 22 Jan 1828 (sometimes cited as birth) >> >> all based on this record, I believe: >> Family Search Pedigree Resource >> File<http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/S1FM-RST> >> >> To see how all this will change the Minta-Ramos family tree, look at >> >> Manuel Minta <http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/45606850/person/6388123471> >> and siblings >> >> then, in same family tree, compare to >> >> Manuel Pimentel >> Ramos<http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/45606850/person/6495811895> >> and siblings >> >> I use unique icons to easily see the three cases of Minta equivalents to >> Pimental Ramos. >> >> I follow Greg Small on the use of Ramos vs Renas; for example, see his >> note at >> >> Ramos, Manuel >> Pimentel<http://gsmall.us/Family/Gimbel/getperson.php?personID=I00434&tree=Gimbel> >> >> >> Thanks once again, >> Steve Minta >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. 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