RickIf it is important for Elena de Medeiros I read Victoria de Medeiros.Hope that helps.Happy New Year to All.Hermano From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:45:52 -0700
Hi Rick, If I understand you correctly, someone who was tested has a direct maternal line that you think must lead to a black slave. In case you mention it because of my interest in descendants, like always I am primarily interested in those from Pico and Terceira, unless it would happen to tie into my own ancestry from other islands. I have the name Sodre from Graciosa and John Raposo's comments remind me of what I read years ago from Saudades da Terra, I believe. It was mentioning the family of Pedro Correia da Cunha, the donatario of Graciosa in the 1400s and his marriage into the Sodre family. It mentioned the number of family, plus their slaves. I think they must have shouldered a great percentage of the back-breaking work required to carve out a home on these new islands that needed settlement. I have one ancestor from Chile and my Family Finder DNA test shows a small percentage of native Indian DNA. There are two possible candidates from her living descendants who could have the mt-DNA test and reveal if our Indian DNA is coming from the direct maternal line. In the case of Chile, with the Spanish conquest, I'm sure I would have many more than just one such line, but it would be very interesting to see what can be known about them. Since you are one of the administrators for the Azores project, I believe you can access my results and see what I'm talking about. It's the Arriagada family on my gedcom that leads to Chile. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, December 28, 2012 12:49 pm To: <[email protected]> Hi Doug, I have one connection to a slave on one side of my Sao Miguel ancestors (a 6th great grandmother) and am looking for another based on a maternal line DNA test which places my Fathers maternal line into the L2 Haplogroup which is African origin and not common in the Acores. I have the films at the FHC in NH which I will continue my search next month on a visit. Rick Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave Hello Katharine, I noticed your question about slaves, so I thought I'd join in to answer you. I don't think I have ever seen a single village in the Azores where there ISN'T a baptism of a slave. So, they were found in every village. As you would expect, it must have been a measure of wealth and status to be a slave owner. Everyone from priests to nobility and wealthy families had them. They are important to notice if you are doing serious research, because they often mention as the padrinhos (godparents) many family connections that might not otherwise be mentioned, especially when these padrinhos are single and can't be found ever being married or having any children. It can be the one and only time you ever see them mentioned. There were other slaves than from Africa, but it is still my first presumption. They often do say a black slave, but not always. Just yesterday I ran across the baptism of a child who married in Terceira, but was native of Sao Jorge and found her mother was a black slave. Finding descendants of these slaves is of particular interest to me. There are several on this list who have mentioned they found a slave ancestor in their tree. The closest I have personally come is a sibling of my ancestor in Terceira married a child of a slave. Atenciosamente, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave From: Katharine <[email protected]> Date: Fri, December 28, 2012 10:36 am To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Rick, this is fascinating, as I had been unaware of slaves (presumably of African origin) in the Azores. Were there very many, and do you know their distribution in the various islands of the archipelago? I ask because I'm currently translating Onésimo Almeida's essay collection O peso do hífen [The weight of the hyphen, referring to the hyphenated identity of Portuguese-Americans]. In one of his essays -- "Olhares americanos sobres três comunidades açorianas da Costa Leste na década de 1920" (pp. 129-152) -- Dr. Almeida recounts at length the justifiably great outcry that arose among the New England Azorean community following the publication of Donald Taft's 1923 scholarly treatise Two Portuguese Communities in New England, in which he posits the racial theory of people from São Miguel being socio-economically inferior and less intelligent due to having Black blood in their ancestry (as opposed to folks from the Central and Western Island groups of the Azores, who had more Flemish blood). Sigh... At present my English translation of this essay is still in the first-draft stage, although if you read Portuguese I would be happy to email you the original text of the relevant portion of the chapter. Katharine. On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:48:25 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:Hi All, I came across this record several years ago in Achada and was confused by it. I went back this morning and realize that is was because the parent was a slave. It is a bit hard to read. What I can make out is it says “Francisca daughter of Elena de Medeiros single slave of Joanna Amaral widow of Captain Antonio de Medeiros. Born 26 Nov 1754 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-B-1751-1770/SMG-ND-ACHADA-B-1751-1770_item1/P27.html Rick Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. 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