Thanks for Uncle Tony's obit! I'm beginning to believe they all swam here! LOL! You see the trick with using the birthdates and extrapolating the census dates involves MATH - failed math at all levels! Feel very stupid --need to work on grandpa Manuel - I know he got divorced from Maria/Mary for "infidelity" - have newspaper article about it - kinda a funny story.....anyway he was living with the sons for awhile.....will have to track back on the census files I have....don't know if he remarried or not.
________________________________ From: eric edgar <[email protected]> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists JoAnne, If you look at this family on the 1910 census it shows a 6 year old child born in Hawaii, and a 3 year old child born in California, therefore they arrived between 1904 and 1907. There are not found on the California shiplists at Ancestry.com The California death index show Manuel F Mello , 44 yrs old, spouses initail A, died in Alameda County on 11-6-1927 Eric Edgar On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Jo Anne Hartmann <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry to hear you've been sick with allergies. Mine hasve just begun with the advent of the pine pollen! > > >Have not done much re genealogy as we have house guests from Canada. When >they leave I'll get back in the swing. > > >Basically - there are 2 things I'm lacking (besides brains!) how, when did the >Mello's get to California from Hawaii? and how, when, where did grandparents >get from Azores to Hawaii? I've given alot of info that I have in the >original email below..... > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Shirley Allegre <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:02 AM > >Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists > > > >Hi: I haven been sick for about 3 1/2. (stupid allergys) >I am just starting to get back into the swing of things. >Remind me about this. > >Shirley in CA >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Jo Anne Hartmann >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:26 PM >>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >> >> >>Hi Shirley, I think we spoke on the phone many months ago about this very >>thing. I haven't been in town and not spending much time doing research, >>but just got back and tried looking stuff up again. >> >> >>My grandfather/grandmothers parents names are a mystery to me. I have NO >>idea. I'm trying to find a needle in a haystack. I have some info from >>other people doing research that may or may not be connected to me. I'm >>sure you understand the "maybe" factor especially with such sketchy info. >>Manuel Fragoso (?) Mello and Maria Medeiros Mello. At some point, they all >>lived in Honokaa, HI as that is where my father, Ernest was born. He was >>one of many, many kids! (13-16?) Most were born in Hawaii and the youngest >>were born in California. Have never found birth records for Dad - he was >>born on October 11, 1901. The oldest son, Joseph Fragoso Mello was born in >>Hawaii on Aug. 31, 1890 and died on Mar. 4, 1944 in California. >> >> >>From the 1910 Calif Census, Manuel F. Mello was born in 1866 in Portugal >>(they never say Azores) and Maria/Mary was born in 1875. It says they were >>married (in Hawaii, I'm assuming) in 1888. >> >> >>1910 Census also says Mary immigrated in 1883....I don't know how much of >>the census" records are correct. Info seems to change from census to >>census.I have "other" info from someone researching on Ancestry.com that >>Manuel was 5 when in came to HI and Maria was 18mo.old in 1881. None of this >>fits.....With the names I think things have gotten all co-mingled with other >>family lines. >> >> >>If I can believe the info on the 1910 census, grandfather Manuel F. would >>have been 15 yrs. old and grandmother Maria/Mary would have been 8 yrs. old. >> >> >> >>I found on one of the ships manifests a "STOWAWAY" by name of Manuel F. >>Mello (I think it was in 1881) but it didn't say any age or anything else! >> >> >>The census records have many mistakes by way of transcription. The latest, >>`1940 census, shows my parents listed as "Mills"....Sheesh! >> >> >>I have info from the 1900 Hawaiian census that shows a Manuel Mello, B/D >>1868 in Portugal immigrated to HI in 1887! married to Mary in 1889 - now do >>I take that as gospel? I'm ready to throw up my hands on this! Dates seem >>to float up and down. Geez when they interviewed these people don't they >>know their own birthdate? Why do they keep changing, if, in fact, they are >>the same people? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Shirley Allegre <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:46 AM >>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >> >> >> >>What are the names of your grandfather and grandmother's parents, that went >>to Hawaii??? >>Also the names of your grandfather Mello, and your grandmother medeiros. >> >>Shirley in CA >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Jo Anne Hartmann >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28 AM >>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>> >>> >>>Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883? I believe my grandfather >>>Mello and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children >>>from Sao Miguel... >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM >>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>> >>> >>> >>>Just added a part of another ship: >>> >>> >>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html >>> >>> >>>These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more >>>from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also >>>Terceira, etc. >>> >>> >>>Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC. >>> >>> >>>Enjoy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>Sacramento, California >>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>916-550-1618 >>>www.dholmes.com >>> >>> >>> >>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>>From: <[email protected]> >>>>Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm >>>>To: [email protected] >>>> >>>>Many more new ship lists added over the past week again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete. >>>> >>>> >>>>Only 1 remains for 1896. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>>Sacramento, California >>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>>916-550-1618 >>>>www.dholmes.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>>>From: <[email protected]> >>>>>Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the >>>>>San Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good recognition >>>>>of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.com and Ellis >>>>>Island Foundation/LDS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a >>>>>guide and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of >>>>>the person you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted >>>>>ships I have (now am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them >>>>>if they arrived on one of these extracted ships. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Find them all here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of >>>>>volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own >>>>>extraction. Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's >>>>>done maybe 40 ships now. There are many more he has extracted that I have >>>>>not yet uploaded. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Happy hunting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>>>Sacramento, California >>>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>>>916-550-1618 >>>>>www.dholmes.com >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>-- >>>For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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