Eric! Thank u for this info - when I was little I heard my Mom and Dad talking about his cousins - the De Mello's in Oakland - and Dad laughing about his other names - he thought Fregoso sounded funny....I was too little to make much of it or even to ask any questions...
________________________________ From: eric edgar <[email protected]> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists JoAnne, Here's Manuel F Mello's obit from the Tribune Then here's the family in Hamakua Hawaii on the 1900 census. They're using the Fregoso surname. A census search will tell you why, there were dozens of Mello families there in 1900. Eric Edgar On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jo Anne Hartmann <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for Uncle Tony's obit! I'm beginning to believe they all swam here! LOL! You see the trick with using the birthdates and extrapolating the census dates involves MATH - failed math at all levels! Feel very stupid --need to work on grandpa Manuel - I know he got divorced from Maria/Mary for "infidelity" - have newspaper article about it - kinda a funny story.....anyway he was living with the sons for awhile.....will have to track back on the census files I have....don't know if he remarried or not. > > > >________________________________ > From: eric edgar <[email protected]> >To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:03 PM > >Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists > > > >JoAnne, > > >If you look at this family on the 1910 census it shows a 6 year old child born >in Hawaii, and a 3 year old child born in California, therefore they arrived >between 1904 and 1907. There are not found on the California shiplists at >Ancestry.com > > >The California death index show Manuel F Mello , 44 yrs old, spouses initail >A, died in Alameda County on 11-6-1927 > > >Eric Edgar > > > > > > > >On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Jo Anne Hartmann <[email protected]> wrote: > >Sorry to hear you've been sick with allergies. Mine hasve just begun with the >advent of the pine pollen! >> >> >>Have not done much re genealogy as we have house guests from Canada. When >>they leave I'll get back in the swing. >> >> >>Basically - there are 2 things I'm lacking (besides brains!) how, when did >>the Mello's get to California from Hawaii? and how, when, where did >>grandparents get from Azores to Hawaii? I've given alot of info that I have >>in the original email below..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Shirley Allegre <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:02 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >> >> >> >>Hi: I haven been sick for about 3 1/2. (stupid allergys) >>I am just starting to get back into the swing of things. >>Remind me about this. >> >>Shirley in CA >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Jo Anne Hartmann >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:26 PM >>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>> >>> >>>Hi Shirley, I think we spoke on the phone many months ago about this very >>>thing. I haven't been in town and not spending much time doing research, >>>but just got back and tried looking stuff up again. >>> >>> >>>My grandfather/grandmothers parents names are a mystery to me. I have NO >>>idea. I'm trying to find a needle in a haystack. I have some info from >>>other people doing research that may or may not be connected to me. I'm >>>sure you understand the "maybe" factor especially with such sketchy info. >>>Manuel Fragoso (?) Mello and Maria Medeiros Mello. At some point, they all >>>lived in Honokaa, HI as that is where my father, Ernest was born. He was >>>one of many, many kids! (13-16?) Most were born in Hawaii and the youngest >>>were born in California. Have never found birth records for Dad - he was >>>born on October 11, 1901. The oldest son, Joseph Fragoso Mello was born in >>>Hawaii on Aug. 31, 1890 and died on Mar. 4, 1944 in California. >>> >>> >>>From the 1910 Calif Census, Manuel F. Mello was born in 1866 in Portugal >>>(they never say Azores) and Maria/Mary was born in 1875. It says they were >>> married (in Hawaii, I'm assuming) in 1888. >>> >>> >>>1910 Census also says Mary immigrated in 1883....I don't know how much of >>>the census" records are correct. Info seems to change from census to >>>census.I have "other" info from someone researching on Ancestry.com that >>>Manuel was 5 when in came to HI and Maria was 18mo.old in 1881. None of >>>this fits.....With the names I think things have gotten all co-mingled with >>>other family lines. >>> >>> >>>If I can believe the info on the 1910 census, grandfather Manuel F. would >>>have been 15 yrs. old and grandmother Maria/Mary would have been 8 yrs. >>>old. >>> >>> >>>I found on one of the ships manifests a "STOWAWAY" by name of Manuel F. >>>Mello (I think it was in 1881) but it didn't say any age or anything else! >>> >>> >>>The census records have many mistakes by way of transcription. The latest, >>>`1940 census, shows my parents listed as "Mills"....Sheesh! >>> >>> >>>I have info from the 1900 Hawaiian census that shows a Manuel Mello, B/D >>>1868 in Portugal immigrated to HI in 1887! married to Mary in 1889 - now do >>>I take that as gospel? I'm ready to throw up my hands on this! Dates seem >>>to float up and down. Geez when they interviewed these people don't they >>>know their own birthdate? Why do they keep changing, if, in fact, they are >>>the same people? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Shirley Allegre <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:46 AM >>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>> >>> >>> >>>What are the names of your grandfather and grandmother's parents, that went >>>to Hawaii??? >>>Also the names of your grandfather Mello, and your grandmother medeiros. >>> >>>Shirley in CA >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Jo Anne Hartmann >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>> >>>> >>>>Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883? I believe my grandfather >>>>Mello and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children >>>>from Sao Miguel... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Just added a part of another ship: >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html >>>> >>>> >>>>These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more >>>>from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also >>>>Terceira, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>>Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC. >>>> >>>> >>>>Enjoy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>>Sacramento, California >>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>>916-550-1618 >>>>www.dholmes.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>>>From: <[email protected]> >>>>>Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>Many more new ship lists added over the past week again. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Only 1 remains for 1896. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>>>Sacramento, California >>>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>>>916-550-1618 >>>>>www.dholmes.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists >>>>>>From: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the >>>>>>San Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my >>>>>>website. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good >>>>>>recognition of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by >>>>>>Ancestry.com and Ellis Island Foundation/LDS. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a >>>>>>guide and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of >>>>>>the person you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted >>>>>>ships I have (now am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them >>>>>>if they arrived on one of these extracted ships. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Find them all here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of >>>>>>volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own >>>>>>extraction. Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's >>>>>>done maybe 40 ships now. There are many more he has extracted that I >>>>>>have not yet uploaded. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Happy hunting. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes >>>>>>Sacramento, California >>>>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>>>>>916-550-1618 >>>>>>www.dholmes.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>-- >>>>For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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