Hi João, Very well put. This will go into my Reference box where I store very well written emails.
Thank you, Tish On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:47 AM, João Ventura <j...@venturas.org> wrote: > Hi Cindy. > > Addressing your points, and why I think this pseudo-science pyramids > doesn't hold. > > Regarding continental drift, there is nothing to say.. The Azores are > located on top of the rift between the North American, Eurasian and the > African plates. There's no drift involved here. The rift is where the > mantle is moving apart, and because of that, the mantle is thinner at that > point, with lots of magma chimneys almost up to the surface. From time to > time, one of those has enough pressure to release the magma into the > surface, in the form of volcanoes that when dormant look like peaceful > beautiful green islands. The geological time scales here are not compatible > with continental drift being a factor. If you study the DNA evidence, > you'll see that mankind started in Africa, moved into Europe and Asia, and > only moved into North America (and then South) during a time when it was > possible to walk from Siberia to Alaska (search for Aleutian land bridge). > That's measured in tens of thousands of years. Continental drift is > measured in much wider timescales (millions of years). > > As to early discoverers, you have two options: > 1. Early discoverers, that find the place based on pure chance, and then > leave, never coming back. There's evidence that such processes occurred > with Europeans in North America at different points in time (Vikings, > Portuguese and others). Granted, these are nice footnotes, but amount to > nothing. They didn't populate the land, so the same land is up to be > re-discovered by others. The same process may have happened to the Azores, > as proven by their appearance in maps in the 1300s. > 2. Settlement efforts based on know-how on getting there. For something > like this, the discoverers have to go prepared, taking with them some > supplies for the trip and early settlement, and most important men AND > women :) To get to the Azores you need to have either repeatable random > luck or the ability to know your location when sailing far from land. > Ruling out the first one (which apparently enabled the Polinesians to > settle Hawaii), you're left with having to wait for Prince Henry to found > his sailing school in Sagres. Also, the Atlantic is not the Pacific. > there's a reason for the latter's name. > > A place like the Azores, once settled would remain settled. You have lots > of fresh water, fertile earth, trees to build shelter and fishing boats. > It's undisputed from the recorded history that the Azores islands were not > populated at the time of their discovery by the Portuguese in the 1400s. > Even if they were discovered before, those people didn't stay, they either > turned back or went on and were lost somewhere else. The Canary islands, > which can be seen while still seeing the African coast were settled before > this time. Madeira and the Azores require more advanced sailing techniques > and remained uninhabited until their settlement by the Portuguese. Note > that apart from some references in 14th century (early 1300s maps), there's > no evidence at all in the ground that those places were settled before. > Even discounting that anything useful left would have been cleared by later > settlement efforts, there's no trace of any Phoenician, Greek or Roman > presence there. It seems idiotic to you, but you need to explain why the > island wasn't inhabited by 1000s of native Azoreans on the arrival of the > Portuguese and why they had to recruit settlers from mainland Portugal to > colonize the Azores. You have a choice between two puzzles: why no one > settled them (easy to explain) or why did all the pre-1400 settlers build > only a couple of pyramids and then vanished without a single trace. The > last scenario is so complex to explain that the simple explanation is that > it never existed in the first place. > > I'm fairly certain that these pyramids were investigated by the UNESCO > scientists that declared them to be World Heritage monuments, and their > association with the wine culture is well known. Those pyramids were built > to protect the wine culture which was started by the early settlers. > Unfortunately, these pyramids are made of volcanic rock.. The carbon-14 > dating would only tell from which volcano eruption they originated from. > The good thing is that wine is the sort of stuff you grow only when you've > already taken care of a lot of other needs, and you moved from survival to > civilized mode. > > Unfortunately, certain people see a pyramid, and they immediately start > thinking of ancient cultures and aliens, deeper meanings and conspiracy > theories. The only problem is when they call themselves scientists and > manage to get their crazy ideas published in normal newspapers. If you're > waiting for further evidence on this case, you'll probably find them all > coming from this one source. They probably started by searching for > Atlantis and now stumbled on this crazy hypothesis. I'd say their next step > is to claim that these pyramids are proof that Atlantis was in the Azores, > because if they were growing wine, they had to have a larger settlement in > the vicinity. How unfortunate for the Atlantes that their only remains was > a couple of vineyards. > > Joao C. Ventura > > On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:25:11 AM UTC+2, Cindy D wrote: >> >> I find this article fascinating as well Elaine. I can't look away until >> all the evidence is in which I may never live to see. I've read about >> science people quibbing and even murdering over things since the dawn of >> time. Prove this, prove that. So I'll be curious to see what comes of >> this. >> >> I know this seems idiotic, but at no time can I buy it that no humans >> prior to the 1500's ever inhabited any of the Azores. As the article >> claims, it's a puzzle. A puzzle is something to be solved. Historically >> people seemed to want to move in a westerly fashion, so I would think, or >> at least hope, seafaring peoples stumbled upon the beautiful islands. Even >> the ancient Egyptians had giant barges they sailed on, and Romans as well >> who stretched their conquering arms all the way to England in the first >> century. No one ever ran into an Azorean island and stayed? That's a >> head-scratcher. And I have no clue how the islands shuffled around for >> thousands of years with the continental drift. >> >> I suppose someone must have done testing on the recovered artifacts to >> determine age, either radiocarbon 14, or potassium-argon or uranium-lead or >> fire up the mass spectrometry accelerator and get some geotimelines >> going. There are answers to this puzzle. I'm going to go look some stuff >> up on this to see what I can find. >> >> And yet, In the dark recesses of my dreams, it gives me great joy to >> think that the Azorean islands could be vestigages of the possible lore of >> Atlantis. Anything is possible. >> >> CindyD >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 6, 2013 6:19:25 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote: >> >>> This is REAL interesting. >>> >>> http://www.algarveresident.**com/0-54889/algarve/azores-** >>> pyramids-puzzle<http://www.algarveresident.com/0-54889/algarve/azores-pyramids-puzzle> >>> >>> "E" >>> >>> >>> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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