Joao et al.
I always find it interesting to "flip through" such "miraculous"
finds. There are always a few gullible souls to "buy in" to the idea
regardless
of the science to the contrary. However, every so often a find or research
set that seems to fly against the wind catches my eye and my intellect that
gives me pause. Nothing in the current set of posts piques my interest.
I just wanted to offer an item for further "juice to the mind" ...
this one from an author who has been vilified by "officialdom" ... but I find
enough solid meat in his presentations to wonder if there may be something
western historians have missed.
The focus is on global seafaring Chinese in 13th Century ... title of
his book is "1434" and he has a follow-up volume. I found the book as well
as his follow-up interesting.
Best to all.
Al Rose
aka Alfredo Francisco daRosa Semiao
In a message dated 9/9/2013 6:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
Nancy,
These megalithic caves and rock art research are the work of the same
person as these pyramids. Also he already found a 'significant number of
fourth
century BC Carthaginian temples!". This guy is seriously amazing. I wonder
why no one else verifies his theories. I'm sure the Azorean tourism would
be interested.
Note that he found rock art, but the only picture is him lying down in the
mud in a (very moist) cave. Where's this alleged art? And honestly, truly
amazing rock artists. The walls in my wife's family homes in the Azores can
barely last a couple of years without being renovated because of all the
moisture in the air, and these people found a way to paint that lasts
thousands of years? Nuno Ribeiro could make a fortune in moisture-resistant
paints if he could only isolate the chemicals used.
Something smells fishy about this Nuno Ribeiro and 'his' APIA association.
João Ventura
On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:43:58 PM UTC+2, nancy jean baptiste wrote:
Well just to mention another interesting new "discovery" google
"megalithic cave and rock art on Terceira Island".
Nancy Jean
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:00:27 -0700
From: [email protected]_ (javascript:)
To: [email protected]_ (javascript:)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited
Earlier Than Thought.
I'm not weighing in on whether this is fact or fiction but do know that
scientists can date a structure. Joao's thoughts seem correct in the fact
that we do not want to know the age of the rocks, that would only tell us age
of the rock and not the structure. But scientists can date the age of a
structure by deposits and weathering of its building materials and through
time this area of science continues to improve. If these structure have
not undergone this type of testing maybe scientists are waiting for improved
testing procedures to be developed. D
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Sent: Sep 9, 2013 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited
Earlier Than Thought.
Hi João,
Very well put. This will go into my Reference box where I store very well
written emails.
Thank you,
Tish
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:47 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]_
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Hi Cindy.
Addressing your points, and why I think this pseudo-science pyramids
doesn't hold.
Regarding continental drift, there is nothing to say.. The Azores are
located on top of the rift between the North American, Eurasian and the
African
plates. There's no drift involved here. The rift is where the mantle is
moving apart, and because of that, the mantle is thinner at that point, with
lots of magma chimneys almost up to the surface. From time to time, one of
those has enough pressure to release the magma into the surface, in the
form of volcanoes that when dormant look like peaceful beautiful green
islands. The geological time scales here are not compatible with continental
drift
being a factor. If you study the DNA evidence, you'll see that mankind
started in Africa, moved into Europe and Asia, and only moved into North
America (and then South) during a time when it was possible to walk from
Siberia
to Alaska (search for Aleutian land bridge). That's measured in tens of
thousands of years. Continental drift is measured in much wider timescales
(millions of years).
As to early discoverers, you have two options:
1. Early discoverers, that find the place based on pure chance, and then
leave, never coming back. There's evidence that such processes occurred with
Europeans in North America at different points in time (Vikings,
Portuguese and others). Granted, these are nice footnotes, but amount to
nothing.
They didn't populate the land, so the same land is up to be re-discovered by
others. The same process may have happened to the Azores, as proven by
their appearance in maps in the 1300s.
2. Settlement efforts based on know-how on getting there. For something
like this, the discoverers have to go prepared, taking with them some
supplies for the trip and early settlement, and most important men AND women
:) To
get to the Azores you need to have either repeatable random luck or the
ability to know your location when sailing far from land. Ruling out the
first one (which apparently enabled the Polinesians to settle Hawaii), you're
left with having to wait for Prince Henry to found his sailing school in
Sagres. Also, the Atlantic is not the Pacific. there's a reason for the
latter's name.
A place like the Azores, once settled would remain settled. You have lots
of fresh water, fertile earth, trees to build shelter and fishing boats.
It's undisputed from the recorded history that the Azores islands were not
populated at the time of their discovery by the Portuguese in the 1400s. Even
if they were discovered before, those people didn't stay, they either
turned back or went on and were lost somewhere else. The Canary islands, which
can be seen while still seeing the African coast were settled before this
time. Madeira and the Azores require more advanced sailing techniques and
remained uninhabited until their settlement by the Portuguese. Note that
apart from some references in 14th century (early 1300s maps), there's no
evidence at all in the ground that those places were settled before. Even
discounting that anything useful left would have been cleared by later
settlement
efforts, there's no trace of any Phoenician, Greek or Roman presence
there. It seems idiotic to you, but you need to explain why the island wasn't
inhabited by 1000s of native Azoreans on the arrival of the Portuguese and
why they had to recruit settlers from mainland Portugal to colonize the
Azores. You have a choice between two puzzles: why no one settled them (easy
to
explain) or why did all the pre-1400 settlers build only a couple of
pyramids and then vanished without a single trace. The last scenario is so
complex to explain that the simple explanation is that it never existed in the
first place.
I'm fairly certain that these pyramids were investigated by the UNESCO
scientists that declared them to be World Heritage monuments, and their
association with the wine culture is well known. Those pyramids were built to
protect the wine culture which was started by the early settlers.
Unfortunately, these pyramids are made of volcanic rock.. The carbon-14 dating
would
only tell from which volcano eruption they originated from. The good thing is
that wine is the sort of stuff you grow only when you've already taken
care of a lot of other needs, and you moved from survival to civilized mode.
Unfortunately, certain people see a pyramid, and they immediately start
thinking of ancient cultures and aliens, deeper meanings and conspiracy
theories. The only problem is when they call themselves scientists and manage
to
get their crazy ideas published in normal newspapers. If you're waiting
for further evidence on this case, you'll probably find them all coming from
this one source. They probably started by searching for Atlantis and now
stumbled on this crazy hypothesis. I'd say their next step is to claim that
these pyramids are proof that Atlantis was in the Azores, because if they
were growing wine, they had to have a larger settlement in the vicinity. How
unfortunate for the Atlantes that their only remains was a couple of
vineyards.
Joao C. Ventura
On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:25:11 AM UTC+2, Cindy D wrote:
I find this article fascinating as well Elaine. I can't look away until
all the evidence is in which I may never live to see. I've read about
science people quibbing and even murdering over things since the dawn of time.
Prove this, prove that. So I'll be curious to see what comes of this.
I know this seems idiotic, but at no time can I buy it that no humans
prior to the 1500's ever inhabited any of the Azores. As the article claims,
it's a puzzle. A puzzle is something to be solved. Historically people
seemed to want to move in a westerly fashion, so I would think, or at least
hope, seafaring peoples stumbled upon the beautiful islands. Even the ancient
Egyptians had giant barges they sailed on, and Romans as well who
stretched their conquering arms all the way to England in the first century.
No
one ever ran into an Azorean island and stayed? That's a head-scratcher.
And I have no clue how the islands shuffled around for thousands of years
with the continental drift.
I suppose someone must have done testing on the recovered artifacts to
determine age, either radiocarbon 14, or potassium-argon or uranium-lead or
fire up the mass spectrometry accelerator and get some geotimelines going.
There are answers to this puzzle. I'm going to go look some stuff up on this
to see what I can find.
And yet, In the dark recesses of my dreams, it gives me great joy to think
that the Azorean islands could be vestigages of the possible lore of
Atlantis. Anything is possible.
CindyD
On Friday, September 6, 2013 6:19:25 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:
This is REAL interesting.
_http://www.algarveresident.comcom<WBR>/0-54889/algarvepyramipyrami<WB_
(http://www.algarveresident.com/0-54889/algarve/azores-pyramids-puzzle)
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