Al, I have also recently read "1434". It started with enough meat on it catch interest, then spun out into a confused fantasy. Menzies has no grasp of scientific research. The "proof " offered in the later chapters are the theories laid out by him earlier. It's one big snake swallowing it's own tail.
I had a hope of a scientific analysis of the physical evidence and got a National Enquirer story. He has a website for 1434 that's all sound and fury signifying nothing. What a charlatan. Eric Edgar On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Joao et al. > I always find it interesting to "flip through" such "miraculous" > finds. There are always a few gullible souls to "buy in" to the idea > regardless of the science to the contrary. However, every so often a find > or research set that seems to fly against the wind catches my eye and my > intellect that gives me pause. Nothing in the current set of posts piques > my interest. > I just wanted to offer an item for further "juice to the mind" ... > this one from an author who has been vilified by "officialdom" ... but I > find enough solid meat in his presentations to wonder if there may be > something western historians have missed. > > The focus is on global seafaring Chinese in 13th Century ... > title of his book is "1434" and he has a follow-up volume. I found the > book as well as his follow-up interesting. > > Best to all. > > Al Rose > aka Alfredo Francisco daRosa Semiao > > In a message dated 9/9/2013 6:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Nancy, > These megalithic caves and rock art research are the work of the same > person as these pyramids. Also he already found a 'significant number of > fourth century BC Carthaginian temples!". This guy is seriously amazing. I > wonder why no one else verifies his theories. I'm sure the Azorean tourism > would be interested. > > Note that he found rock art, but the only picture is him lying down in the > mud in a (very moist) cave. Where's this alleged art? And honestly, truly > amazing rock artists. The walls in my wife's family homes in the Azores can > barely last a couple of years without being renovated because of all the > moisture in the air, and these people found a way to paint that lasts > thousands of years? Nuno Ribeiro could make a fortune in moisture-resistant > paints if he could only isolate the chemicals used. > > Something smells fishy about this Nuno Ribeiro and 'his' APIA association. > > João Ventura > > On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:43:58 PM UTC+2, nancy jean baptiste wrote: >> >> Well just to mention another interesting new "discovery" google >> "megalithic cave and rock art on Terceira Island". >> >> Nancy Jean >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:00:27 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited >> Earlier Than Thought. >> >> I'm not weighing in on whether this is fact or fiction but do know that >> scientists can date a structure. Joao's thoughts seem correct in the fact >> that we do not want to know the age of the rocks, that would only tell us >> age of the rock and not the structure. But scientists can date the age of >> a structure by deposits and weathering of its building materials and >> through time this area of science continues to improve. If these >> structure have not undergone this type of testing maybe scientists are >> waiting for improved testing procedures to be developed. D >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tish M >> Sent: Sep 9, 2013 9:39 AM >> To: "[email protected]" >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited >> Earlier Than Thought. >> >> Hi João, >> >> Very well put. This will go into my Reference box where I store very well >> written emails. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Tish >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:47 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Cindy. >> >> Addressing your points, and why I think this pseudo-science pyramids >> doesn't hold. >> >> Regarding continental drift, there is nothing to say.. The Azores are >> located on top of the rift between the North American, Eurasian and the >> African plates. There's no drift involved here. The rift is where the >> mantle is moving apart, and because of that, the mantle is thinner at that >> point, with lots of magma chimneys almost up to the surface. From time to >> time, one of those has enough pressure to release the magma into the >> surface, in the form of volcanoes that when dormant look like peaceful >> beautiful green islands. The geological time scales here are not compatible >> with continental drift being a factor. If you study the DNA evidence, >> you'll see that mankind started in Africa, moved into Europe and Asia, and >> only moved into North America (and then South) during a time when it was >> possible to walk from Siberia to Alaska (search for Aleutian land bridge). >> That's measured in tens of thousands of years. Continental drift is >> measured in much wider timescales (millions of years). >> >> As to early discoverers, you have two options: >> 1. Early discoverers, that find the place based on pure chance, and then >> leave, never coming back. There's evidence that such processes occurred >> with Europeans in North America at different points in time (Vikings, >> Portuguese and others). Granted, these are nice footnotes, but amount to >> nothing. They didn't populate the land, so the same land is up to be >> re-discovered by others. The same process may have happened to the Azores, >> as proven by their appearance in maps in the 1300s. >> 2. Settlement efforts based on know-how on getting there. For something >> like this, the discoverers have to go prepared, taking with them some >> supplies for the trip and early settlement, and most important men AND >> women :) To get to the Azores you need to have either repeatable random >> luck or the ability to know your location when sailing far from land. >> Ruling out the first one (which apparently enabled the Polinesians to >> settle Hawaii), you're left with having to wait for Prince Henry to found >> his sailing school in Sagres. Also, the Atlantic is not the Pacific. >> there's a reason for the latter's name. >> >> A place like the Azores, once settled would remain settled. You have lots >> of fresh water, fertile earth, trees to build shelter and fishing boats. >> It's undisputed from the recorded history that the Azores islands were not >> populated at the time of their discovery by the Portuguese in the 1400s. >> Even if they were discovered before, those people didn't stay, they either >> turned back or went on and were lost somewhere else. The Canary islands, >> which can be seen while still seeing the African coast were settled before >> this time. Madeira and the Azores require more advanced sailing techniques >> and remained uninhabited until their settlement by the Portuguese. Note >> that apart from some references in 14th century (early 1300s maps), there's >> no evidence at all in the ground that those places were settled before. >> Even discounting that anything useful left would have been cleared by later >> settlement efforts, there's no trace of any Phoenician, Greek or Roman >> presence there. It seems idiotic to you, but you need to explain why the >> island wasn't inhabited by 1000s of native Azoreans on the arrival of the >> Portuguese and why they had to recruit settlers from mainland Portugal to >> colonize the Azores. You have a choice between two puzzles: why no one >> settled them (easy to explain) or why did all the pre-1400 settlers build >> only a couple of pyramids and then vanished without a single trace. The >> last scenario is so complex to explain that the simple explanation is that >> it never existed in the first place. >> >> I'm fairly certain that these pyramids were investigated by the UNESCO >> scientists that declared them to be World Heritage monuments, and their >> association with the wine culture is well known. Those pyramids were built >> to protect the wine culture which was started by the early settlers. >> Unfortunately, these pyramids are made of volcanic rock.. The carbon-14 >> dating would only tell from which volcano eruption they originated from. >> The good thing is that wine is the sort of stuff you grow only when you've >> already taken care of a lot of other needs, and you moved from survival to >> civilized mode. >> >> Unfortunately, certain people see a pyramid, and they immediately start >> thinking of ancient cultures and aliens, deeper meanings and conspiracy >> theories. The only problem is when they call themselves scientists and >> manage to get their crazy ideas published in normal newspapers. If you're >> waiting for further evidence on this case, you'll probably find them all >> coming from this one source. They probably started by searching for >> Atlantis and now stumbled on this crazy hypothesis. I'd say their next step >> is to claim that these pyramids are proof that Atlantis was in the Azores, >> because if they were growing wine, they had to have a larger settlement in >> the vicinity. How unfortunate for the Atlantes that their only remains was >> a couple of vineyards. >> >> Joao C. Ventura >> >> On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:25:11 AM UTC+2, Cindy D wrote: >> >> I find this article fascinating as well Elaine. I can't look away >> until all the evidence is in which I may never live to see. I've read >> about science people quibbing and even murdering over things since the dawn >> of time. Prove this, prove that. So I'll be curious to see what comes of >> this. >> >> I know this seems idiotic, but at no time can I buy it that no humans >> prior to the 1500's ever inhabited any of the Azores. As the article >> claims, it's a puzzle. A puzzle is something to be solved. Historically >> people seemed to want to move in a westerly fashion, so I would think, or >> at least hope, seafaring peoples stumbled upon the beautiful islands. Even >> the ancient Egyptians had giant barges they sailed on, and Romans as well >> who stretched their conquering arms all the way to England in the first >> century. No one ever ran into an Azorean island and stayed? That's a >> head-scratcher. And I have no clue how the islands shuffled around for >> thousands of years with the continental drift. >> >> I suppose someone must have done testing on the recovered artifacts to >> determine age, either radiocarbon 14, or potassium-argon or uranium-lead or >> fire up the mass spectrometry accelerator and get some geotimelines >> going. There are answers to this puzzle. I'm going to go look some stuff >> up on this to see what I can find. >> >> And yet, In the dark recesses of my dreams, it gives me great joy to >> think that the Azorean islands could be vestigages of the possible lore of >> Atlantis. Anything is possible. >> >> CindyD >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 6, 2013 6:19:25 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote: >> >> This is REAL interesting. >> >> http://www.algarveresident.**com**/0-54889/algarve/azores-**pyrami** >> ds-puzzle<http://www.algarveresident.com/0-54889/algarve/azores-pyramids-puzzle> >> >> "E" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/Azores<http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. >> Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will >> take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/azores<http://groups.google.com/group/azores> >> . >> >> >> >> >> -- >> sfig >> Researching >> Island: Santa Maria >> Freguesia: Santa Barbara >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/Azores<http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. >> Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will >> take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/azores<http://groups.google.com/group/azores> >> . >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/Azores<http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. >> Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will >> take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/azores<http://groups.google.com/group/azores> >> . >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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