Joao, I don´t know how you found out what company was developing the actual interface, they are Azorean, based in Terceira Island, which I think is great, and maybe it means the money "stays home", and they keep their employees!
Perhaps just by looking at the bottom of their pages? http://www.keep.pt/produtos/digitarq/ maybe this is why that interface stopped being developed. I have also criticized several times that "platform" and I wish it was indexed and had 20 different check boxes and another 20, form fields, including one where we could choose a 200 year ancestor individual's underwear color :) But my dad taught me many years ago that "A cavalo dado, não se olha aos dentes" and therefore I believe that insistingly keep saying that what they are doing is wrong, a mess, or its an archaic service, etc is not the best way! I also would like to apologize for using, or choosing, a wrong word, "Complaint", if fact I wanted to say "Questioned" and since I first questioned CCA until today, I have always been answered. Some of them I didn't like to much, others took to long, but I got the answers! Cheers to all! On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:58 PM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: > Ricardo, > > I'd let it rest except for some points: > > 1. I'm also studying my family history. Feel free to see it: > http://venturas.org/familytree. It's still a work in progress. > 2. I will eventually try to sell something, yes. But not to you. I wrote a > tool that started mainly for my own use, but which is really useful for > anyone researching in Portugal (Azores and Madeira included). Eventually > that tool will start to cost me money every month, and I'm not willing to > pay so that others can use it. But don't worry, someone other than the > users will pay for it through sponsorships. > 3. "Your archive links were developed by a company that uses opensource > solutions, I'm sure you can find them quite easily." - I've no idea what > you're talking about. Feel free to write in Portuguese. Which archive > links? Which company? > > I've got no info on the inside dealings of the CCA. What I can tell you is > that the 'arquivos.azores.gov.pt' site is a catalog of at least 2 of the > 3 regional archives. The parish records are only about 10% of all the > documents cataloged in that site. It uses the same software as the 'Torre > do Tombo' archive, and all other archives in the mainland (except for a > couple of municipal archives which use another solution). It's a tool. Use > it for your ends. Among others it tells you something that the current CCA > site doesn't: the inventory of all the parish books in the Azores (except > for the missing archive). Nancy also found out it contains an index to the > passport registers. I can tell you from experience that it's a better tool > than the current CCA 'Inventário Genealógico'. But in the end, I truly > don't care what will replace what. I'm interested in the books. > > Especially this one: http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1013385 > > Note the part where it says "O livro encontra-se desaparecido da > BPARJJG.". This book was microfilmed. It was lost within the last 30 years. > And it's still not online. But everyday that my site tells me there are new > books in the Azores, I'm hoping they're adding it. However, part of me > believes it will be exactly the last book to be published by the CCA. > > João Ventura > http://tombo.pt > > On Tuesday, 4 February 2014 13:51:14 UTC+1, rchaves wrote: > >> Joao, >> >> CCA http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ is based in Terceira, >> Viaoceanica is a Terceira Company. Your archive links were developed by a >> company that uses opensource solutions, I'm sure you can find them quite >> easily. >> >> This company's work was ordered by http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/ and >> I believe that interface you say its powerful was discontinued, and >> upgraded to another platform. That costs money...etc..etc.. >> >> I will not continue because this is not what is in question, in my >> opinion. I'm not into into politics. I'm into genealogy. As Angela said and >> very well, its taking a long time, and this has been a "well spanked horse" >> in this group, people don't work for free, and what CCA is offering online >> is still in progress... >> >> I read somewhere in this group someone saying that started genealogy >> where there wasn't even Internet here, and said what I am trying to say, >> which is basically this: "Are you studding your family roots? Or are you >> trying to sell something?" >> >> Well, I'm studding my family roots, simply for the love of it! >> >> last 2 cents on this one! >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ricardo, >>> >>> No. What you should complain about is that the central government >>> archives have developed a FREE tool that provides pretty good access to >>> these archives (It's the one used in >>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/<http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1019364>). >>> But for some reason, the CCA decided to have Via Oceanica develop a >>> separate interface that has basically no search, and allows these kinds of >>> duplicates. I'm sure the Via Oceanica contract is not free. What the CCA >>> currently has is actually two systems running in parallel. One is extremely >>> powerful, and allows them to catalog their archives (which is what they're >>> using it for), and also to provide access to digital versions of the same >>> (which they don't). The other, is clearly designed to run the CCA 'content' >>> website and allows some browsing in the digital archive, via a pretty >>> simple interface. >>> >>> As to whether these things should be free or not.. That's another story >>> altogether. >>> >>> João Ventura >>> http://tombo.pt >>> >>> On Saturday, 1 February 2014 23:30:39 UTC+1, rchaves wrote: >>>> >>>> In my humble opinion, and after receiving a recently, and very polite >>>> reply, from a Massachusetts archive institute, saying that they have >>>> associated with one of the biggest online genealogy PAYED websites, saying >>>> I could go through them, payed, or FREE, locally, unfortunately I cant go >>>> there as often as I wanted, I live in the Azores since 1974 , I >>>> believe that CCA should actually put everything down and do the same!! >>>> >>>> Depois se calhar não haveriam tantas "mess" que tem estado a ser >>>> disponibilizadas de graça e que a maioria desse trabalho está a ser pago >>>> com dinheiro publico, de contribuintes Portugueses, como eu, e que ainda >>>> bem há pouco tempo, paguei por registos que ainda não estão publicados >>>> online, de Santa Maria, mas que paguei porque precisava deles! >>>> >>>> I have sent emails to CCA complaining about "messes" like those and >>>> they fixed them, thanking me for alerting them about them, and they didn't >>>> took too long to fixed them. Their email is available on CCA website. They >>>> can read and write English too! >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:49 PM, João Ventura <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, I noticed that. In my page for S. Roque it's easy to see the bug: >>>>> http://tombo.pt/f/pdl18 >>>>> >>>>> It's not the only problem. There's two books which are inaccessible >>>>> via CCA, and two books which are show up twice in the listing. That >>>>> interface is a mess. I wish they'd just give up and replace it with this >>>>> one: http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1019364 >>>>> >>>>> João Ventura >>>>> http://tombo.pt >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 31 January 2014 22:49:46 UTC+1, Azoreanno wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I notested that the 1740-46 baptisms for S. Roque do Rosto de Cão are >>>>>> mixed up with the Santo-Antonio-Alem-Capelas baptisms >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcio Borba >>>>>> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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