Means that, in this case, the grooms grandparents are the same as one set of the brides gggrandparents. Jose Antonio Goncalves father was Manuel Gonçalves Fagundes, son of Antonio Simao Fagundes and Catarina Maria. Mariana Jose mother was Maria Vitorina, daughter of Angela Mariana, daughter of Ana Maria do Rosario, daughter of the above Antonio Simao Fagundes and Catarina Maria. The age diference between them, makes this diference in generations. The groom was 45 years older then the bride in this case. His age as 58 in record is wrong as it should have been 68, as there are records to prove it. Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
Em Quarta-feira, 12 de Fevereiro de 2014 14:37, Susan Vargas Murphy <[email protected]> escreveu: Hi Marcio, I am not sure that it means 2nd and 4th cousins? I looked back on some old posts that I saved from my computer and this is one that Joao SL Filho in Brazil posted long ago: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:12:30 -0300 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_S._Lopes_Filho?=" To: [email protected] Message-ID: <000301c0fb7e$e05b3a20$3da3bfc8@winteste> Subject: [AZORES-L] graus de consanguinidade "2o. grau de consanguinidade" - the spouses are 1st cousins, common grandparents "3o. grau" - common great-grandparents "4o. grau" - common great-greatgrandparents "2o. e 3o. grau misto" - common ancestors were one's grandparent and another one's great-grandparent "4o. grau por duas partes" - 4o. grau - common great-great-grandparents. Joao SL Rio On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:03:18 AM UTC-8, Azoreanno wrote: They didnt receive the Blessings most likely because he had been married before > >Marcio Borba >Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. com > > > >Em Terça-feira, 11 de Fevereiro de 2014 13:35, Marcio Borba ><[email protected]> escreveu: > >They married Dec. 18 1862. >Jose Antonio Goncalves, 58 years old, widower of Quiteria Maria who died in >this parish, legitimate son of Manuel Goncalves and Clara dos Anjos. >Mariana Jose, 22 years old, legitimate daughter of Manuel Teixeira and Maria >Vitorina. > > >They were "dispensados do 2º. e 4º. grau de consaguinidade lícita" means they >were second and fourth cousins > >Marcio Borba >Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. com > > > >Em Segunda-feira, 10 de Fevereiro de 2014 21:02, Marilyn Thompson ><[email protected]> escreveu: > > > >Is it possible to get a line by line translation? There are sections that I >have no idea what is being said. > > >The part after Maria Victorina's name. > > >I do not need the part talking about the Catholic Church and priest. > > > >On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >Is it common to have a Marriage Blessing received after the marriage takes >place? >> >> >> >>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Hermano C. Pires <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Marrilyn >>>Record #15 is a wedding record for Jose Antonio Gonsalves and Marianna Jose. >>>What I wrote before are the facts contained there. >>>The names you see in the margin are Jose and Marianna, there is no other >>>iformation there. >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: [email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Topo,Sao Jorge >>>Surnames Goncalves and Jose >>>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:20:37 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>>In the margin is the names Jose and Maxima (Jose e Maxima) >>> >>>Rick >>> >>>Richard Francis Pimentel >>>Spring, TX >>> >>> >>>From:[email protected] [mailto:azo...@googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of >>>Marilyn Thompson >>>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:13 PM >>>To: Cheri Mello >>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Topo,Sao Jorge >>>Surnames Goncalves and Jose >>> >>>Richard >>> >>>Can you tell me which line in the record states about him fathering twins? I >>>am interested to see what it looks like. I did not know anything about twins >>> >>>Marilyn >>> >>>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel >>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>Hermano I see it now. The father of the twins is Antonio Gonsalves widower >>>of Quiteira Maria, 58 years old and son of Manuel Gonsalves and Marianna >>>Jose. The mother is as I previously stated: Clara dos Anjos single 22 >>>years old and the daughter of Manuel Teixeira and Maria Cristenina. >>> >>>Real interesting 58 and fathering twins with a 22 year old single woman. He >>>must have been a real charmer. >>> >>>Rick >>> >>>Richard Francis Pimentel >>>Spring, TX >>> >>> >>>From:[email protected] [mailto:azo...@googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of >>>Hermano C. Pires >>>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:51 PM >>> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Topo,Sao Jorge >>>Surnames Goncalves and Jose >>> >>>Hello Marilyn >>>Here is what I make of that record: >>>18 Dec 1862 Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Topo. >>>Jose Antonio Gonsalves (Goncalves), 58 yeas old, widower of Quiteria Maria, >>>buried in this parish, son of Manuel Gonsalves (Goncalves) and Clara dos >>>Anjos, with Marianna Jose, 22 years old, single, daughter of Manuel Teixeira >>>and Maria Victorina, all baptised and residing in the above parish. >>>The side margin note refers to them recieving the nupcial blessing on 12 Jan >>>1863 >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From: [email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Topo,Sao Jorge >>>Surnames Goncalves and Jose >>>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:29:20 -0600 >>>Hi Marilyn, >>> >>>There is a lot going on in this record. I don’t understand it all but it >>>starts off naming Jose Antonio Gonsalves and Marianna Jose who I think are >>>the grandparents of Jose & Maxiam and Children of their son Manuel >>>Gonsalves and Clara dos Anjos who is the single legitimate daughter of >>>Manuel Teixeira and Maria Cristenina??? who is 22 years old and was baptized >>>and resides in the freguesia. The record date is 18 Dec 1862 >>> >>>In the margin on 12 Jan 1863 I think it says they (Manuel & Clara) were >>>married. I would check out the marriages on this date. >>> >>> >>> >>>Rick >>> >>>Richard Francis Pimentel >>>Spring, TX >>> >>> >>>From:[email protected] [mailto...@googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of >>>Marilyn Thompson >>>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 12:46 PM >>>To: Cheri Mello >>>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Topo,Sao Jorge Surnames >>>Goncalves and Jose >>> >>>http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- >>>CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869/SJR-CH- TOPO-C-1860-1869_item1/P26. html >>> >>>Sorry I do not know why it did not put this as a hyper-link >>> >>>This marriage on Sao Jorge, Topo, seems to have a different format with >>>additional information. One of their daughter's baptism did not name him as >>>the father. She was born in Mar 1862. I am thinking it is explaining this, >>>maybe? >>> >>>I can pick out from this marriage # 15 on the top right: >>> >>> 2 Dec 1862 marriage of Jose Antonio Goncalves and Marianna Jose >>> >>>Jose Antonio Goncalves parents: >>> >>>Manuel Gonsalves Fagundas and Clara dos Anjos >>> >>>Marianna Jose's parents: >>> >>>Maria Victorina and Manuel Texiera but it looks like something about Civil >>> >>> >>>I would appreciate any additional information that can be located in this >>>record. It has been several years since I have tried to read these records. >>> >>>Thank you for your help. This group is great. >>> >>>Marilyn >>>-- >>>-- >>>For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>http://groups.google.com/ group/Azores. 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