Hawaiian marriages among siblings had to do with the rank. And like any culture or any HUMAN BEING, Egos run amock.
The half-sibling marriage seemed to have been more common, and that was because the females were the ones who were able to pass on their high rank and it took precedence over the husband's rank EVEN IF the husband was a higher ranking chief. I'm sure a lot had to do with the fact that paternity could be questionable. I knew of a couple of ancient full sibling marriages but the most famous half-sibling was of Kiwalao and his maternal half-sister Kekuiapoiwaliliha, who was also the paternal half-sister of Kamehameha I. Although Kamehameha I also took that half-sister as a wife, they never produced any offspring, but Kekuiapoiwaliliha did have a daughter with her maternal half-brother Kiwalao, her name was Keoupuolani, and she married Kamehameha I, and they were the parents of Kamehameha II and Kamehameha III. Keopuolani, like her parents and aunt Kalaniakua were viewed as gods. Which reminds me, Kalaniakua was a daughter of full sibling parents, but whether she was seen as higher ranking than her half-siblings Kekuiapoiwaliliha and Kiwalao, I don't know. I only know that those two daughters of Kalola (from whom this high rank comes from) and Kalola's granddaughter - Keopuolani were highly prized, and respected because of their rank. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:08:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > I suppose the logic in Hawaiian royalty was that they were superior to > begin with, so marriage to another such superior person couldn't help but > produce more superior offspring. > > But I have never once seen any example of royal marriages to siblings. I > think in Catholic countries, they would never get approval from the Pope. > Thank goodness for that, at least. > > It reminds me of the book I read last year about early Irish society where > they permitted first and second cousins to marry, but caught a lot of flak > from Rome because of it and it forced many changes about 1000 years ago in > the Catholic church in Ireland. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: first degree of consanguinity > From: Antonio Faria <[email protected] <javascript:>> > Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 10:40 am > To: [email protected] <javascript:> > > The incest taboo among siblings has been exempt among royalty of various > cultures throughout history, one example being the royal Hawaiian families > in fact it was encouraged they believe such unions produces superiors > specimens. > > On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57:25 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: >> >> Of course. And that's why you don't ever see a 1st degree connection >> getting married. >> >> Frankly, it's surprising to me 1st and 2nd degree was ever allowed. Maybe >> it was a way to generate more money by the church, so they allowed it? I'm >> assuming they had to pay a bigger fee for dispensation, but it's possible >> even poor people could get it free. >> >> I'm changing the subject to reflect this discussion. Look for the >> previous comments under the subject "Help with baptism from Ponta Garca." >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca >> From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:49 am >> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >> >> I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most >> countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and >> Portugal? >> >> >> Cheri Mello >> >> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
