Well Doug you are lucky to have only one that you can't link. other than Manuel Furtado the rest of my family finder matches I have no idea how we connect because they are all from Pico, Flores. Which I only have one ancestor that I know of from Flores but can't find his marriage record. Good luck hope you solve your mystery.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know if Mr. Teixeira is on this list, so I am pretty much writing > on his behalf. > > We are a projected 3rd-5th cousin based on the Family Finder DNA results > and being so relatively close, it has been bugging me as to why I can't > locate the link between us. > > So today I was looking over his tree posted and he has one grandmother > born in Graciosa, all the rest from the continent. The link obviously comes > from his Graciosa line. > > He has an officially unknown ancestor pretty close, #14 on his chart and > so I asked him about that today. > Here is the response: > > *he may be the incognito in my grandmother’s baptism record. According to > my cousin, my Mother’s ½ sister’s son (both born in Graciosa), he remembers > his Mother talking about who his Grandmother's (Graziela's) Father was. He > remembers the name as Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis (although he said > that he was not sure about the Monis part). Apparently he (Manuel) is the > one who paid for his daughter (Graziela) to come to the U.S. (also > according to my cousin). I talked to my other 2 cousins (brothers) of the > one referenced above, and they said that they remembered hearing that name > also.* > > If you do genealogy, you should recognize this name combo as a likely link > to Graciosa's minor nobility. And if the above story holds water, the > reason he is incognito is likely that the family owned property they were > not willing to share with his child and mother. He also might have been > married to someone else, too. > > With Eliseu's Graciosa researchers list, maybe there are enough > researchers who will be looking through the records to spot this person. > > Since his grandmother was born in Luz, Graciosa, that could be where this > father was from, but there is no such guarantee. > > I just completed a search of my database and found 13 people using the > surname sequence of Cunha Vasconcelos. Several of these show up in Terceira > records. One is from Guadalupe in about 1829. One from Santa Cruz, Graciosa > in 1737. One from Praia, Graciosa in about 1855. > > But the one that caught my attention most is from a line that includes the > surname SIMAS in there. > > The Simas name in Graciosa came from Sao Roque do Pico in the late 1600s > by a marriage into another important family. I have traced most of them, > but this one has a lot of unwed mothers. So the person I found that might > be how Mr. Teixeira and I connect could be from Joao de Simas e Cunha e > Vasconcelos who married on 9 May 1853 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa to Maria da > Conceicao da Silva. > > Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos was the son of pai incognito and Luzia > da Conceição de VASCONCELOS aka Luzia Teresa de VASCONCELOS. > > The first child I have noticed so far by her is Vitoria born on 11 Jun > 1810 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa. I am not done researching, so there could be > earlier children. But from this date we can estimate she was born maybe > about 1785-1790. Her last child was Rosa born on 19 Mar 1829 also in Santa > Cruz, making her 39-44 years old. I am not 100% certain she is the same one > having so many previous kids. In the 1829 baptism, it reveals she was > formerly married: > > *Roza, filha de Pai incognito e de Luzia da Conceicao, viuva de Francisco > da Silva, moradora na Rua do Mar. Padrinhos: Joze Correa Palhinha and > N.S.do <http://N.S.do> Rozario. * > > But so far, none of the baptisms revealed her own parents. I found 4 of > her 6 known children. > > I don't think this is such a difficult problem to solve. Her own death > will likely name her parents, but she might also show up as the madrinha in > some records and will be listed with parents there. I just don't have this > as any priority and did this research probably at least 10 years ago. But > now that DNA testing is showing this link, I think this might be why. > > Just how this link connects to Simas, I don't know. In fact, Simas might > really be coming from the pai incognito for this Joao de Simas e Cunha e > Vasconcelos and then I would have to look for other possibilities. > > Don't you just love the consequences from the church policy to hide the > identities of the children with unwed parents? > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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