Thanks, MaryAnn. I will remember that.
It's also where Herb Silva's Simas is from. He sent me a link and I think it was from the 1700s. Do you connect with Herb by the Simas name, or any name?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simas DNA
From: MaryAnn Santos <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, April 30, 2014 7:15 am
To: [email protected]
Hi Doug,I have a number of Simas from Nordeste, Sao Miguel on my mother's maternal and paternal line dating back to 1600s. So let me know when you start to research SM.
Best,MaryAnnOn Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:09 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
--Hi Rick,Thanks for the message.As you know, I do relatively little Sao Miguel research, but eventually I will be after all named Simas on Sao Miguel and will keep your message filed away.One thing you can always hope for is that there are priest applications and marriage dispensations that will eventually appear on the CCA website. Even if they don't, you can take control by hiring someone who can visit the archive or go there yourself to view them.If you read my latest article appearing in O Progresso, you will see I made mention of consanguinidade at marriage as a "mini jackpot" in my opinion. I think it'll take someone who is willing to spend years and years to create what I do for Pico and Terceira which is a 100% complete database of every person in that village, and maybe surrounding villages, in order to check into how and why these couples were related. And then hopefully one or more records of the descendants of Maria de Simas from about 1666 will hopefully lead you to discover her parents and maybe even grandparents.That would bring you within reach of her great-grandfather (maybe) Domingos de Simas.-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simas DNA
From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, April 29, 2014 8:12 pm
To: <[email protected]>
Hi Doug,My dad’s 3rd Great Grandmother was Francisca de Simas born 15 Feb 1755 in Achadinha, Nordeste She was the daughter of Joao Furtado and Isabel Borges de Simas. Isabel’s line comes from Achada Grande with the furthest in the line Maria de Simas born about 1666. My dad’s Family Finder shows no match with you.RickRichard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simas DNATo all people with Simas ancestors,I'm wondering how many of you have done the Family Finder DNA test.If you have Simas ancestors and don't match me, I am just curious about it.For instance, I know Herb Silva has some Simas and so does John Raposo. Herb got the Family Finder test and isn't showing as a match to me. Neither does John Raposo, but I don't know if he got the test yet. I think Cheri Mello has a remote Simas ancestor and doesn't match me, either. I believe Altino once wrote me about his Simas ancestors and we don't match, if he got the test.Simas in the Azores traces back, usually, to Domingos de Simas from Spain. He settled in Nordeste in the late 1500s. From there, Simas spread out around Sao Miguel. But one son headed off to Pico and if you have Simas from Pico, chances are we could match that way, because it's more recent.So we are talking about people born 400 years ago and usually beyond the range for showing any connection. But since my Simas is from my Pico ancestry where I have a recent 1st cousin marriage, that acts as a multiplier, maybe a 2X multiplier, and we get matches way beyond the normal 200 year time frame.Many of my matches have Lajes do Pico ancestors and I know some have Simas ancestors. But due to the lack of older records from the church in Lajes, we can't find the connections. We can still assume they exist and somehow DNA evidence is showing we do have some sort of link.Anyway, speak up publicly on this list or write me privately if you like. It would be interesting to see what we've got.I think the connection is too remote to show a link to anyone with Simas lines that stayed in Sao Miguel. But maybe those people all match each other. And maybe all with Simas on Pico match each other.I would love to find someone with a direct male line assent to this Domingos de Simas. I need to check if any exist on Pico. Then we could do the Y-DNA test on them and that would tell us more about his origins. This is something I'm working on for all my Portuguese ancestors. When I'm ready to type it up, I'll let you know. I recently started something similar on two of my Hungarian ancestral lines which if interested you can find here:Thanks,Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
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