Doug,
Interestingly, some of my closer Y-DNA (J2 haplotype - from my Azorean-descended father) matches have English surnames. One theory is that both of our branches came from a common Roman soldier, who I suppose eventually made his way to England. The TIP estimate is that our common ancestor is within 20 generations, however. That's 600 years ago, soon after the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance began. The English helped break the siege if Lisbon in the 1100's. Just saying, there are some connections, there. -Trevor Costa -----Original Message----- From: pico <[email protected]> To: azores <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, May 7, 2014 12:41 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyOrigins surprise findings from Family Finder DNA testing Commenting further in regards to yesterday's new release of Family Tree DNA's Population Finder that is now called MyOrigins, maybe a bigger surprise is that my father's got his European DNA breakdown of 87% as follows: North Mediterranean Basin - 52% (From Portugal to Greece on the north side of the Mediterranean Sea) European Coastal Plain - 20% (centered around Switzerland, Eastern France, Southern Germany, Western Austria) European Coastal Islands - 15% (England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland) Of this, the surprising, but confirming information is that it explains the red and blonde hair, tall features we have on both our Pico and Terceira lines. My father's grandmother from Sao Roque do Pico had flaming red hair which carried on to two of my siblings. I think my grandfather was blonde and I think his sister was also blonde. I've heard that Northern Portugal's population was influenced by the Visigoths, a Germanic tribe and then there are the documented Flemish immigrants in the Azores which can fall into the above Coastal Plain area. And we have the Celts with mixtures of Viking/Danish DNA in modern UK. So what all this means is that maybe there was a heavier dose of modern UK peoples that ended up finding their way into Portugal and accounting for 20% of my father's DNA. Maybe the close ties between England and Portugal from the time of King Joao I in the 1400s can account for this. So I think testing each family member with the Family Finder test will help everyone gain further insight into the populations in the Azores and anywhere else their origins lie. I originally thought that my own Family Finder test was enough to represent my own generation, but now I see that it would be very helpful to have more of my generation get the test. And of course, testing the oldest generations still living is a must. In my case, testing a cousin who has none of our Chilean ancestors would be helpful. So I need to see if I can work on that more. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyOrigins surprise findings from Family Finder DNA testing From: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, May 07, 2014 1:37 am To: [email protected] Cc: "Lionel Holmes" <[email protected]> In regards the 1% of ancestry from Africa and another 1% from Asia, the way I understand it is if we look at a family tree for a person, it takes 7 generations back to get over 100 ancestors. At that level we have 128 if they are all different people. Of course, if any cousins married then there are actually fewer separate individuals. Since for my father, I know all his ancestors well beyond 7 generations back in the Azores, the only way to have an ancestor who was from from Africa or Asia must come from our ancestors in Chile, where we know only 4 generations back so far. Since 5% of his DNA says it's from the native population of the Americas and the most recent ancestor from Chile was 3 generations back where there are just 8 ancestors, 1/8th of his DNA should be from Chile which is 12.5%. If we say some percentage was from Spain to account for the Conquistadores and if at the 7th generation there is one from Africa and one from Asia, plus 5 who were natives, that leaves about 7-9 who were Spanish. That works out OK. It's a real life algebraic problem - don't see that much. But it's not really that simple, because I'm sure the Conquistadores married into the native population early on from the 1500s forward and so there are tiny percentages from each generation that are accumulating as we reach to the 7th generation for my father - that is the late 1600s for his Azores lines, so would be something similar for the lines in Chile. And so maybe there are many different lines of African and Asian ancestors which all together account for about 1% of his DNA for each of them. The only flaw in that is the fact his DNA was identified as from a specific part of Africa. If there were many lines, it would also seem there are many different parts of Africa. I hope some day I can trace them back a little further to resolve some of this. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyOrigins (Population Finder) is now available! From: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, May 06, 2014 6:45 pm To: [email protected] Cc: "Lionel Holmes" <[email protected]> My father also got a similar surprise - 1% East African Pastoralists which the map shows as Uganda, South Sudan, Kenya. I suppose it comes from a slave. We have one exposta from the late 1600s which might account for this mysterious DNA. And it was interesting to see he has 6% Middle Eastern in the area of the Berbers - North African Coastlands. So my own 4% Middle Eastern in the area of Eastern Afroasiatic which the map shows as Jordan and surroundings must be coming from my mother's side. I guess this is because of the Turkish invasions into Hungary through the Balkins, because my wife, 100% Slovak has 6% of this same DNA. And my father also has another big surprise - 1% East Asian and specifically Asian Northeast which the map has around Korea and Japan and into Russia. My guess is the 1% African and 1% Asian must come from a couple slave ancestors. Very fascinating. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyOrigins (Population Finder) is now available! From: ttcostadc via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Date: Tue, May 06, 2014 6:20 pm To: [email protected] Group, Mine finally make sense to me, with 47% North Mediterranean Basin. There was a surprise 1% Nigeria-Congo Genesis. -Trevor Costa (VA/DC) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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