To add to Margaret's assessment of name change, I have seen the name change when they move from one freguesia to another, or when they remarry. I even did it when I went to college, but my "new" friends heard my "old" name... and I was still known as "Tish".
Tish On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry Bill, I also meant to say that your best source of information is > her children's birth records for both marriages. They will show if the was > a clerical error or if she indeed used one or the other. > > Cheers, > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Bill, good work. With reference to changing names. Her name is Maria and >> you can verify that against the birth record. The 2nd name is an add on by >> the parents and family until Civil registry was implemented in 1911 for the >> general population. >> >> There's a couple of possibilities, in my opinion. The first being the >> priest is setting the record straight and her name is indeed " da >> Conceicao" and there was a mistake made in the first record. And the 2nd >> is basically she went by both names inside family called her one thing and >> friends and neighbours called her another and she acknowledged both. I >> don't see it as a name change, really but rather using both. >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. >>> Her >>> age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her >>> birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second >>> marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her >>> name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel >>> Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The >>> priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find >>> the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 >>> years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 >>> children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second >>> husband, 5 of which survived. >>> >>> Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names >>> as she apparently did? >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa >>>> dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all >>>> the current documentation...... >>>> He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing >>>> at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural >>>> of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this >>>> same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa >>>> Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this >>>> island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of >>>> Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of >>>> Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. >>>> >>>> Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her >>>> first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and >>>> b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a >>>> mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from "birth >>>> records" certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this >>>> couple. . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and >>>>> Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a >>>>> half). >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- >>>>> PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900- >>>>> 1911_item1/P160.html >>>>> >>>>> On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as >>>>> Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change >>>>> devotional names on subsequent marriages? >>>>> >>>>> Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle >>>>> of right page just below the "D" in the watermark). I think the priest >>>>> made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of >>>>> 1872. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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