Hi Linda, I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think that he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was very expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants.
For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who were proprietario or trabalhador in another country. Thanks again. 2015-10-31 16:05 GMT-02:00 linda <menesesli...@gmail.com>: > Hi Roberto, > > That's great! > > You are correct. Jose's age is 37. Compare the digits to the other > numbers written by that clerk. His "3" always has a serif stroke on top > and on bottom, but his "8" is consistently made like a simple infinity sign > (no extra ornamentation). His "7" has a top stroke, but his "1" has light > leading stroke. > > There are sometimes mistakes in the records, but usually they are quite > accurate. There's a very good chance you will find his baptismal record in > Biscoitos in 1857. > > This is a guess: I see that Jose is called a proprietario. I noticed that > many of the emmigrants to Brazil in 1893 and 1894 are described as > proprietarios. The proportion of proprietarios to trabalhadores in these > years in the passports seems very high to me. I suspect that many of these > proprietarios were not leaving the Azores for the first time. I think that > they were going back to Brazil and were property owners in Brazil. If my > idea is correct, then Jose might have originally emmigrated at an earlier > date and was in Terceira in 1894 on a visit home. > > I also noticed a number of emmigrants taking their children with them, and > these children were listed as "natural de Rio de Janeiro". These families > were obviously going back to Brazil after a visit to the Azores. I also > saw several men and women over 60 traveling to Brazil. These people > usually appeared to be traveling alone, and I assumed that they were going > to join sons and daughters in Brazil. Perhaps the parents traveled a few > months after the children? Perhaps try looking onward through the > passports for another six months? > > Wishing much more success with your researches, > > Linda > > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:59:30 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos wrote: >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> I found the passport of José Ferreira de Barcellos on: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P146.html >> >> I thought that I would found their parents passports on the same page. >> Their age is written there but i'm not sure if is 37. If it is correct he >> was born on 1857. >> >> Thanks for the tips. >> >> >> >> Em sexta-feira, 30 de outubro de 2015, linda <menese...@gmail.com> >> escreveu: >> >>> Roberto, >>> >>> Thank you very much for the links. I had not seen that information and >>> will put it in my file for later reference. >>> >>> Some of the other genealogias available on culturaacores.gov.pt also >>> have Barcellos families in them. Sometimes it is spelled "Bracellos." >>> Fenix Angrense is one of these books. >>> >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA_item1/P152.html >>> >>> Starting out, I think the best strategy is to use the immigration >>> records to link your family to an island and freguesia in the Azores. Then >>> use the marriage and baptismal records as primary sources to build your >>> family tree. >>> >>> After you have your avore genealogia, then you can try to tie it in to >>> the secondary records like these books. >>> >>> I believe I saw the name Jose Machado Teixeira in the Passportes in >>> Angra somewhere in 1893 or 1894 when I was searching them a few days ago. >>> If you have no other leads for his immigration date, you could try then. >>> >>> best of luck in your researches, >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:07:24 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Linda, >>>> >>>> I don't if you already have a look but I found these records about >>>> Barcellos family between the years 1700-1750 on: >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/P84.html >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.culturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1%2FP84.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFwqo7W9_FJzha31LasNnjC0VvLjw> >>>> >>>> There are other families on the Genealogia da Terceira manuscripts >>>> avaiable on: >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/index.html >>>> >>>> Roberto >>>> >>>> Em quinta-feira, 29 de outubro de 2015 14:26:29 UTC-2, Roberto >>>> Barcellos escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Linda, >>>>> >>>>> Find attached the annoucement of José Machado's death on a newspaper >>>>> in Brazil. >>>>> >>>>> The following can be found at: >>>>> http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=030015_02&pesq=jos%C3%A9%20ferreira%20barcellos >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Roberto >>>>> >>>>> Em quarta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2015 17:33:32 UTC-2, linda escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Roberto and "E", >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the bride's parent's names provided by "E", I had a quick look >>>>>> in the Terceira marriage index, and I found this record for Jose Machado >>>>>> Teixeira and Josefa Madalena: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889_item1/P6.html >>>>>> >>>>>> This record is from the parish of Doze Ribeiras, 1880. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also saw a record for Jose Machado Teixeira marriage to Maria de >>>>>> Jesus 1857 from the parish of Biscoitos, and there are another 5 or 6 >>>>>> Jose >>>>>> Machado Teixeiras from other parishes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:01:52 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roberto, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't know if you are familiar with U. S. records but their actual >>>>>>> marriage record is on Ancestry.com (fee based) thru familysearch.org >>>>>>> (free) Just go to familysearch.org and put in Jesuina Das Mercedes >>>>>>> and it should come up. If you have problems, let me know. I don't >>>>>>> read/write Portuguese but it looks like it says her parents are from >>>>>>> Portugal which could include the Azores. I am trying to find more on >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> on Ancestry as I am a paying member. Some of my family went from >>>>>>> mainland >>>>>>> Portugal to Brazil made their fortune and returned to Portugal to live >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> sent their children to England for their education. >>>>>>> '"E"" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Name:Jesuina Das MercêdesGender:FemaleAge:21Martial Status:SingleBirth >>>>>>> Year:1882Marriage Date:18 jul 1903Marriage Place:05ª Circunscrição, >>>>>>> Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, BrazilFather Name:Jose Machado >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12819>Mother >>>>>>> Name:Josepha Magdalena >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12818>Spouse >>>>>>> Name:José Ferreira Barcellos >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12817>FHL >>>>>>> Film Number:1365676 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:42 AM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Welcome to the group. If you can narrow down the date when your >>>>>>>> family members arrived in Brazil, you could try searching through the >>>>>>>> Angra >>>>>>>> Passport records right before that date. The passport records are >>>>>>>> available through this link: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The passport records generally include parents, marital state, age, >>>>>>>> and birthplace. This information might help you identify potential >>>>>>>> leads. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, names are rarely unique, so you should use >>>>>>>> corroborating information before deciding that you've found an >>>>>>>> ancestor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of my ancestors is also named "Jose Machado Teixeira" but he is >>>>>>>> about 100 years older than yours and lived on the other side of >>>>>>>> Terceira. >>>>>>>> The other evening, I was searching through the Angra passport records >>>>>>>> between Jan 1893 and Dec 1894, and I'm nearly certain that I saw the >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> "Jose Machado Teixeira" because I recall double checking that name on >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> tree to be sure he wasn't my direct ancestor. Perhaps he is yours-- >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> perhaps not! I also have Barcellos in my family tree, so perhaps we >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> still related. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> best of luck in your research, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-7, Roberto >>>>>>>> Barcellos wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, my name is Roberto Barcellos and I want to retrieve >>>>>>>>> information about Barcellos family. My great grandfather name is >>>>>>>>> José Ferreira Barcellos, he married Jesuína das Mercedes in 1903 at >>>>>>>>> Rio de >>>>>>>>> Janeiro. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jesuína's father, José Machado Teixeira died at 1904. The >>>>>>>>> information I know is that José Machado lived in Biscoitos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have additional information about Barcellos family? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Roberto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on >>>>>>>> the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>>>>>>> membership." >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/3SfXo1CCQT4/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/3SfXo1CCQT4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
