Hi Linda, I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think that he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was very expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants.
For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who were proprietario or trabalhador in another country. Thanks again. 2015-10-31 16:05 GMT-02:00 linda <[email protected]>: > Hi Roberto, > > That's great! > > You are correct. Jose's age is 37. Compare the digits to the other > numbers written by that clerk. His "3" always has a serif stroke on top > and on bottom, but his "8" is consistently made like a simple infinity sign > (no extra ornamentation). His "7" has a top stroke, but his "1" has light > leading stroke. > > There are sometimes mistakes in the records, but usually they are quite > accurate. There's a very good chance you will find his baptismal record in > Biscoitos in 1857. > > This is a guess: I see that Jose is called a proprietario. I noticed that > many of the emmigrants to Brazil in 1893 and 1894 are described as > proprietarios. The proportion of proprietarios to trabalhadores in these > years in the passports seems very high to me. I suspect that many of these > proprietarios were not leaving the Azores for the first time. I think that > they were going back to Brazil and were property owners in Brazil. If my > idea is correct, then Jose might have originally emmigrated at an earlier > date and was in Terceira in 1894 on a visit home. > > I also noticed a number of emmigrants taking their children with them, and > these children were listed as "natural de Rio de Janeiro". These families > were obviously going back to Brazil after a visit to the Azores. I also > saw several men and women over 60 traveling to Brazil. These people > usually appeared to be traveling alone, and I assumed that they were going > to join sons and daughters in Brazil. Perhaps the parents traveled a few > months after the children? Perhaps try looking onward through the > passports for another six months? > > Wishing much more success with your researches, > > Linda > > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:59:30 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos wrote: >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> I found the passport of José Ferreira de Barcellos on: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P146.html >> >> I thought that I would found their parents passports on the same page. >> Their age is written there but i'm not sure if is 37. If it is correct he >> was born on 1857. >> >> Thanks for the tips. >> >> >> >> Em sexta-feira, 30 de outubro de 2015, linda <[email protected]> >> escreveu: >> >>> Roberto, >>> >>> Thank you very much for the links. I had not seen that information and >>> will put it in my file for later reference. >>> >>> Some of the other genealogias available on culturaacores.gov.pt also >>> have Barcellos families in them. Sometimes it is spelled "Bracellos." >>> Fenix Angrense is one of these books. >>> >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA_item1/P152.html >>> >>> Starting out, I think the best strategy is to use the immigration >>> records to link your family to an island and freguesia in the Azores. Then >>> use the marriage and baptismal records as primary sources to build your >>> family tree. >>> >>> After you have your avore genealogia, then you can try to tie it in to >>> the secondary records like these books. >>> >>> I believe I saw the name Jose Machado Teixeira in the Passportes in >>> Angra somewhere in 1893 or 1894 when I was searching them a few days ago. >>> If you have no other leads for his immigration date, you could try then. >>> >>> best of luck in your researches, >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:07:24 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Linda, >>>> >>>> I don't if you already have a look but I found these records about >>>> Barcellos family between the years 1700-1750 on: >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/P84.html >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.culturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1%2FP84.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFwqo7W9_FJzha31LasNnjC0VvLjw> >>>> >>>> There are other families on the Genealogia da Terceira manuscripts >>>> avaiable on: >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/index.html >>>> >>>> Roberto >>>> >>>> Em quinta-feira, 29 de outubro de 2015 14:26:29 UTC-2, Roberto >>>> Barcellos escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Linda, >>>>> >>>>> Find attached the annoucement of José Machado's death on a newspaper >>>>> in Brazil. >>>>> >>>>> The following can be found at: >>>>> http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=030015_02&pesq=jos%C3%A9%20ferreira%20barcellos >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Roberto >>>>> >>>>> Em quarta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2015 17:33:32 UTC-2, linda escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Roberto and "E", >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the bride's parent's names provided by "E", I had a quick look >>>>>> in the Terceira marriage index, and I found this record for Jose Machado >>>>>> Teixeira and Josefa Madalena: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889_item1/P6.html >>>>>> >>>>>> This record is from the parish of Doze Ribeiras, 1880. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also saw a record for Jose Machado Teixeira marriage to Maria de >>>>>> Jesus 1857 from the parish of Biscoitos, and there are another 5 or 6 >>>>>> Jose >>>>>> Machado Teixeiras from other parishes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:01:52 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roberto, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't know if you are familiar with U. S. records but their actual >>>>>>> marriage record is on Ancestry.com (fee based) thru familysearch.org >>>>>>> (free) Just go to familysearch.org and put in Jesuina Das Mercedes >>>>>>> and it should come up. If you have problems, let me know. I don't >>>>>>> read/write Portuguese but it looks like it says her parents are from >>>>>>> Portugal which could include the Azores. I am trying to find more on >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> on Ancestry as I am a paying member. Some of my family went from >>>>>>> mainland >>>>>>> Portugal to Brazil made their fortune and returned to Portugal to live >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> sent their children to England for their education. >>>>>>> '"E"" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Name:Jesuina Das MercêdesGender:FemaleAge:21Martial Status:SingleBirth >>>>>>> Year:1882Marriage Date:18 jul 1903Marriage Place:05ª Circunscrição, >>>>>>> Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, BrazilFather Name:Jose Machado >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12819>Mother >>>>>>> Name:Josepha Magdalena >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12818>Spouse >>>>>>> Name:José Ferreira Barcellos >>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12817>FHL >>>>>>> Film Number:1365676 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:42 AM, linda <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Welcome to the group. If you can narrow down the date when your >>>>>>>> family members arrived in Brazil, you could try searching through the >>>>>>>> Angra >>>>>>>> Passport records right before that date. The passport records are >>>>>>>> available through this link: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The passport records generally include parents, marital state, age, >>>>>>>> and birthplace. This information might help you identify potential >>>>>>>> leads. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, names are rarely unique, so you should use >>>>>>>> corroborating information before deciding that you've found an >>>>>>>> ancestor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of my ancestors is also named "Jose Machado Teixeira" but he is >>>>>>>> about 100 years older than yours and lived on the other side of >>>>>>>> Terceira. >>>>>>>> The other evening, I was searching through the Angra passport records >>>>>>>> between Jan 1893 and Dec 1894, and I'm nearly certain that I saw the >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> "Jose Machado Teixeira" because I recall double checking that name on >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> tree to be sure he wasn't my direct ancestor. Perhaps he is yours-- >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> perhaps not! I also have Barcellos in my family tree, so perhaps we >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> still related. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> best of luck in your research, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-7, Roberto >>>>>>>> Barcellos wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, my name is Roberto Barcellos and I want to retrieve >>>>>>>>> information about Barcellos family. My great grandfather name is >>>>>>>>> José Ferreira Barcellos, he married Jesuína das Mercedes in 1903 at >>>>>>>>> Rio de >>>>>>>>> Janeiro. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jesuína's father, José Machado Teixeira died at 1904. The >>>>>>>>> information I know is that José Machado lived in Biscoitos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have additional information about Barcellos family? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Roberto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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