Thanks again Aaron. I received the record of his parents marriage and it was in São Bartolomeu dos Regatos. I saw in his passport that he was 37 in 1894. I thought that he was born in 1857 but with this record I'm in doubt about what record is correct.
Roberto 2015-11-04 7:15 GMT-02:00 Aaron Pereira <[email protected]>: > > Robert, > > I believe this is Jose's baptism...very bottom, left hand side of page. > The parents are Vicente Ferreira and Maria Jose. One of the Godparents is > a Barcellos. Ideally, you would've liked to have seen Vicente Ferreira > Barcellos and Maria Jose do Soccoro. I would suggest looking for a > marriage record for this couple, and if you find one, then you can rule out > this baptism. I see the birth as November 26, 1855, and the baptism as > December 9th. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1844-1860/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1844-1860_item1/P97.html > > On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:15:50 AM UTC-8, Roberto Barcellos wrote: >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in São >> Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think that >> he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was very >> expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the >> Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants. >> >> For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I >> think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who were >> proprietario or trabalhador in another country. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> >> >> 2015-10-31 16:05 GMT-02:00 linda <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hi Roberto, >>> >>> That's great! >>> >>> You are correct. Jose's age is 37. Compare the digits to the other >>> numbers written by that clerk. His "3" always has a serif stroke on top >>> and on bottom, but his "8" is consistently made like a simple infinity sign >>> (no extra ornamentation). His "7" has a top stroke, but his "1" has light >>> leading stroke. >>> >>> There are sometimes mistakes in the records, but usually they are quite >>> accurate. There's a very good chance you will find his baptismal record in >>> Biscoitos in 1857. >>> >>> This is a guess: I see that Jose is called a proprietario. I noticed >>> that many of the emmigrants to Brazil in 1893 and 1894 are described as >>> proprietarios. The proportion of proprietarios to trabalhadores in these >>> years in the passports seems very high to me. I suspect that many of these >>> proprietarios were not leaving the Azores for the first time. I think that >>> they were going back to Brazil and were property owners in Brazil. If my >>> idea is correct, then Jose might have originally emmigrated at an earlier >>> date and was in Terceira in 1894 on a visit home. >>> >>> I also noticed a number of emmigrants taking their children with them, >>> and these children were listed as "natural de Rio de Janeiro". These >>> families were obviously going back to Brazil after a visit to the Azores. >>> I also saw several men and women over 60 traveling to Brazil. These people >>> usually appeared to be traveling alone, and I assumed that they were going >>> to join sons and daughters in Brazil. Perhaps the parents traveled a few >>> months after the children? Perhaps try looking onward through the >>> passports for another six months? >>> >>> Wishing much more success with your researches, >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:59:30 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Linda, >>>> >>>> I found the passport of José Ferreira de Barcellos on: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P146.html >>>> >>>> I thought that I would found their parents passports on the same page. >>>> Their age is written there but i'm not sure if is 37. If it is correct he >>>> was born on 1857. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the tips. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em sexta-feira, 30 de outubro de 2015, linda <[email protected]> >>>> escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Roberto, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for the links. I had not seen that information >>>>> and will put it in my file for later reference. >>>>> >>>>> Some of the other genealogias available on culturaacores.gov.pt also >>>>> have Barcellos families in them. Sometimes it is spelled "Bracellos." >>>>> Fenix Angrense is one of these books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA/FENIXANGRENSE-PARTEGENEALOGICA_item1/P152.html >>>>> >>>>> Starting out, I think the best strategy is to use the immigration >>>>> records to link your family to an island and freguesia in the Azores. >>>>> Then >>>>> use the marriage and baptismal records as primary sources to build your >>>>> family tree. >>>>> >>>>> After you have your avore genealogia, then you can try to tie it in to >>>>> the secondary records like these books. >>>>> >>>>> I believe I saw the name Jose Machado Teixeira in the Passportes in >>>>> Angra somewhere in 1893 or 1894 when I was searching them a few days ago. >>>>> If you have no other leads for his immigration date, you could try then. >>>>> >>>>> best of luck in your researches, >>>>> >>>>> Linda >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:07:24 AM UTC-7, Roberto Barcellos >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Linda, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't if you already have a look but I found these records about >>>>>> Barcellos family between the years 1700-1750 on: >>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/P84.html >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.culturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES%2FGENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1%2FP84.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFwqo7W9_FJzha31LasNnjC0VvLjw> >>>>>> >>>>>> There are other families on the Genealogia da Terceira manuscripts >>>>>> avaiable on: >>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES/GENEALOGIAS-TERCEIRA-COELHOBORGES_item1/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Roberto >>>>>> >>>>>> Em quinta-feira, 29 de outubro de 2015 14:26:29 UTC-2, Roberto >>>>>> Barcellos escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Find attached the annoucement of José Machado's death on a newspaper >>>>>>> in Brazil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The following can be found at: >>>>>>> http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReader.aspx?bib=030015_02&pesq=jos%C3%A9%20ferreira%20barcellos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Roberto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em quarta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2015 17:33:32 UTC-2, linda >>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Roberto and "E", >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Using the bride's parent's names provided by "E", I had a quick >>>>>>>> look in the Terceira marriage index, and I found this record for Jose >>>>>>>> Machado Teixeira and Josefa Madalena: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-DOZERIBEIRAS-C-1880-1889_item1/P6.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This record is from the parish of Doze Ribeiras, 1880. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also saw a record for Jose Machado Teixeira marriage to Maria de >>>>>>>> Jesus 1857 from the parish of Biscoitos, and there are another 5 or 6 >>>>>>>> Jose >>>>>>>> Machado Teixeiras from other parishes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:01:52 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roberto, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if you are familiar with U. S. records but their actual >>>>>>>>> marriage record is on Ancestry.com (fee based) thru >>>>>>>>> familysearch.org (free) Just go to familysearch.org and put in >>>>>>>>> Jesuina Das Mercedes and it should come up. If you have problems, >>>>>>>>> let me >>>>>>>>> know. I don't read/write Portuguese but it looks like it says her >>>>>>>>> parents >>>>>>>>> are from Portugal which could include the Azores. I am trying to >>>>>>>>> find more >>>>>>>>> on them on Ancestry as I am a paying member. Some of my family went >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> mainland Portugal to Brazil made their fortune and returned to >>>>>>>>> Portugal to >>>>>>>>> live and sent their children to England for their education. >>>>>>>>> '"E"" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name:Jesuina Das MercêdesGender:FemaleAge:21Martial Status:SingleBirth >>>>>>>>> Year:1882Marriage Date:18 jul 1903Marriage Place:05ª >>>>>>>>> Circunscrição, Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, BrazilFather Name:Jose >>>>>>>>> Machado >>>>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12819>Mother >>>>>>>>> Name:Josepha Magdalena >>>>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12818>Spouse >>>>>>>>> Name:José Ferreira Barcellos >>>>>>>>> <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1BrazilCivilRegistration&indiv=try&h=12817>FHL >>>>>>>>> Film Number:1365676 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:42 AM, linda <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the group. If you can narrow down the date when your >>>>>>>>>> family members arrived in Brazil, you could try searching through >>>>>>>>>> the Angra >>>>>>>>>> Passport records right before that date. The passport records are >>>>>>>>>> available through this link: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The passport records generally include parents, marital state, >>>>>>>>>> age, and birthplace. This information might help you identify >>>>>>>>>> potential >>>>>>>>>> leads. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, names are rarely unique, so you should use >>>>>>>>>> corroborating information before deciding that you've found an >>>>>>>>>> ancestor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One of my ancestors is also named "Jose Machado Teixeira" but he >>>>>>>>>> is about 100 years older than yours and lived on the other side of >>>>>>>>>> Terceira. The other evening, I was searching through the Angra >>>>>>>>>> passport >>>>>>>>>> records between Jan 1893 and Dec 1894, and I'm nearly certain that I >>>>>>>>>> saw >>>>>>>>>> the name "Jose Machado Teixeira" because I recall double checking >>>>>>>>>> that name >>>>>>>>>> on my tree to be sure he wasn't my direct ancestor. Perhaps he is >>>>>>>>>> yours-- >>>>>>>>>> but perhaps not! I also have Barcellos in my family tree, so >>>>>>>>>> perhaps we >>>>>>>>>> are still related. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> best of luck in your research, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Linda >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-7, Roberto >>>>>>>>>> Barcellos wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, my name is Roberto Barcellos and I want to retrieve >>>>>>>>>>> information about Barcellos family. My great grandfather name >>>>>>>>>>> is José Ferreira Barcellos, he married Jesuína das Mercedes in 1903 >>>>>>>>>>> at Rio >>>>>>>>>>> de Janeiro. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jesuína's father, José Machado Teixeira died at 1904. The >>>>>>>>>>> information I know is that José Machado lived in Biscoitos. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have additional information about Barcellos family? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Roberto >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No >>>>>>>>>> Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this >>>>>>>>>> group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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